U.S. Presidential race - Republican Discussion

[Rukentuts]

Tom Cruise would be way too pissed.

Tom Cruise would sue you.

[conscript]

Tom Cruise would sue you.

I wonder if they ever sued Paul Thomas Anderson for making the Master. They are a very litigious cultreligion them Scientologists, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they sued the first person to question a political candidate about it.

[Rukentuts]

I wonder if they ever sued Paul Thomas Anderson for making the Master. They are a very litigious cultreligion them Scientologists, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they sued the first person to question a political candidate about it.

Actually my last post was wrong. Tom Cruise only sues if you make insinuations on his perceived sexual orientation, not his religion.

[Catta]

I wonder if they ever sued Paul Thomas Anderson for making the Master. They are a very litigious cultreligion them Scientologists, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if they sued the first person to question a political candidate about it.

Well it IS an American cult after all :P

[conscript]

Of course he'll personally say that wasn't him and he'd never support racist policies, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought up.

I just see it as a waste of time. You are going to get a non answer from him, like you do everything else, it will be in the news cycle for a day then it will be gone again. I would much rather see someone question them on something of substance and try to get an answer that mattered out of them like if he supports drastic campaign finance reform to prevent people like Bob Perry giving over $15 million to Romney PACs or does he think the ultra rich and corporations deserve to have unequal influence in the political race thanks to their massive, massive piles of unimaginable wealth.

[Catta]

I just see it as a waste of time. You are going to get a non answer from him, like you do everything else, it will be in the news cycle for a day then it will be gone again. I would much rather see someone question them on something of substance and try to get an answer that mattered out of them like if he supports drastic campaign finance reform to prevent people like Bob Perry giving over $15 million to Romney PACs or does he think the ultra rich and corporations deserve to have unequal influence in the political race thanks to their massive, massive piles of unimaginable wealth.

I personally would think it would garner much attention and hurt his chances but hey - what do i know? Your politics dont make sense to me...

[Reeve]

I personally would think it would garner much attention and hurt his chances but hey - what do i know? Your politics dont make sense to me...

They don't really make much sense to us either.

[conscript]

I personally would think it would garner much attention and hurt his chances but hey - what do i know? Your politics dont make sense to me...

I don't think it would really. There is only one party in this country that has the audacity to attack folks based on their religion, either their real religion or completely made up bullshit. The democrats aren't going to do it because they don't give a shit about a person's religion since they more or less don't care as long as it isn't being used as a basis for policy. Plus the Dems can't really question Mormonism while Harry Reid and a number of other prominent Democrats are in positions of power while being Mormons.

The only places it would get any play would be Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox News where the entire basis of the story would be "How Dare You!" since those hypocritical idiots are completely ignorant of the words they have said in the past. (Which is pretty much my favorite part of shows like the Daily Show where Lou Dobbs comes out and attacks the Obama campaign for defending the money that goes to PBS while having recently condemned them about wanting to do away with oil subsidies that are .08% of the budget because they are so small while completely ignoring the fact that the PBS subsidy is a laughable fraction of even that oil subsidy).

[belfpala]

They don't really make much sense to us either.

It's all right here! http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

Isn't it obvious?

/sarcasm.

[Catta]

I don't think it would really. There is only one party in this country that has the audacity to attack folks based on their religion, either their real religion or completely made up bullshit. The democrats aren't going to do it because they don't give a shit about a person's religion since they more or less don't care as long as it isn't being used as a basis for policy. Plus the Dems can't really question Mormonism while Harry Reid and a number of other prominent Democrats are in positions of power while being Mormons.

The only places it would get any play would be Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox News where the entire basis of the story would be "How Dare You!" since those hypocritical idiots are completely ignorant of the words they have said in the past. (Which is pretty much my favorite part of shows like the Daily Show where Lou Dobbs comes out and attacks the Obama campaign for defending the money that goes to PBS while having recently condemned them about wanting to do away with oil subsidies that are .08% of the budget because they are so small while completely ignoring the fact that the PBS subsidy is a laughable fraction of even that oil subsidy).

I could do it for you guys. Just get me a plane ticket and get me into one of them town hall debates...

[conscript]

I could do it for you guys. Just get me a plane ticket and get me into one of them town hall debates...

Don't lie. You would totally be the person to ask if they prefer pepperoni or sausage pizza to get free pizza for life from Pizza Hut. I don't even like Pizza Hut, but I would so ask that question to get free stuff.

[Pilobolus]

The only places it would get any play would be Limbaugh, Hannity, and Fox News where the entire basis of the story would be "How Dare You!" since those hypocritical idiots are completely ignorant of the words they have said in the past. (Which is pretty much my favorite part of shows like the Daily Show where Lou Dobbs comes out and attacks the Obama campaign for defending the money that goes to PBS while having recently condemned them about wanting to do away with oil subsidies that are .08% of the budget because they are so small while completely ignoring the fact that the PBS subsidy is a laughable fraction of even that oil subsidy).

I think the funniest part of that skit was that Dobbs proved he can't math when he wrote 0.0008% instead of 0.08%. As Jon said "What's a couple of zeros to a financial consultant." (Paraphrase)

[Catta]

Don't lie. You would totally be the person to ask if they prefer pepperoni or sausage pizza to get free pizza for life from Pizza Hut. I don't even like Pizza Hut, but I would so ask that question to get free stuff.

What is this Hut of Pizza of which you speak?

[Lenonis]

So maybe I missed it in the discussion of whether or not religion is fair game in politics...

But Paul Ryan did say during the debate:

I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do.

I would think this is and of itself makes religion not only a valid topic, but one what should be discussed in detail if it is going to be what makes them decide what to do...

[Felya]

You know a good example of why it's a good idea for science to recieve government subsudies? Here it is:

Yeah except almost all of this science is driven by Government Funding. Any funding from oil companies is totally miniscule.

I think Duirdi hit the hammer right on the head of the nail, in the 'global warming stoped' thread. This is exactly why we should be weary of the sort of cuts Romney plans to make in order to achieve his tax cut. We can't leave it for the corporations to do it them selfs, because they will do the bare minimum and only to protect their profits.

---------- Post added 2012-10-15 at 03:52 PM ----------

So maybe I missed it in the discussion of whether or not religion is fair game in politics...

But Paul Ryan did say during the debate:

I would think this is and of itself makes religion not only a valid topic, but one what should be discussed in detail if it is going to be what makes them decide what to do...

With Paul Ryan, I do not believe he is truly religious, but it's a mean towards a gain. There is no logical way a man can be this devoted to Ayn Rand and one of the things she demonized more than even socialism.

I think making this about religion is doing exectly what he and every other politician does when prancing religion, it's patronizing. It's not a symptom of religion, but the winner take all mentality of polotics. I don't blame Ryan's religious view on his religion, but his willingness to do anything it takes to win. This is a problem of how low Ryan is willing to go, not evils of religion.

The way to not let him get away with it, is to ignore the religion cries and focus on his policy. Fighting the religion rhetoric gets exectly what he wants, people defending their faith instead of Ryan and ignoring the sham that is his policy.

---------- Post added 2012-10-15 at 03:55 PM ----------

This is also how you browbeat Obama is Muslim, without saying Obama is Muslim.

[Slammin Shaman]

Ya but we all know that the door has never and will never work two ways with the GOPs most hardline nutter butters. Its fine to question Obama's birth certificate, his Social Security Card, his selective service registration, and on and on. But HOW DARE YOU call Mitt Romney a draft dodger, when he is one, or question how his father ran for President despite actually being foreign born. I would much, much rather see someone in the news media actually question Mitt on being a draft dodger rather than "space jesus." The guy literally fled to France thansk to his daddy's money and influence rather than going to Vietnam to fight for the country like many brave Americans. I would give anything to see Obama ask Romney about that during tomorrows foreign policy debate. It would be amazing. Want to completely shatter his base? Prove to them that the good old Murican party candidate is actually someone completely unwilling to fight for Murica, who invests in China, who hides money in every country that isn't the US, that takes deductions for horses worth three-four times your house, etc.

Little late, but I would absolutely love if Obama did that. What logical defense would Mittens even have for that?

[Felya]

Which is pretty much my favorite part of shows like the Daily Show where Lou Dobbs comes out and attacks the Obama campaign for defending the money that goes to PBS while having recently condemned them about wanting to do away with oil subsidies that are .08% of the budget because they are so small while completely ignoring the fact that the PBS subsidy is a laughable fraction of even that oil subsidy.

This was so horrible. The subsudies Obama wanted to remove, but repeatedly had it blocked in his budget, is regarding technology that is over 100 years old and no longer used. We subsidize oil drilling, because when this subsudie law passed, it was very risky to drill. The technology of the time, simply could not predict accurately the correct spot to drill, leading to drilling a lot of duds.

This made oil drilling hard to profit on, because we were not consuming as much and the duds were extremely costly. This is where government stepped in with subsudies, because the free market didn't make it profitable enouph and society needed an increasing supply of oil. This was government subsudies against risk, for the social benefit, because the free market doesn't care about social benefit.

The problem now, is technology in 100 years has all but eliminated duds when drilling, Oil companies are profitable to the extent of Rockefeller anti monopoly laws many decades ago. Yet, republicans blocked the removal of subsudies that protect risk that no loner exists. This is blocking cuts that no longer serve the intended benefit, but bitching about PBS.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...-oil-industry/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1387789.html

---------- Post added 2012-10-15 at 04:26 PM ----------

Oil subsudies, force the tax payer that is willing to cut oil consumption, to pay for oil anyway. Compare that with private insurance covering contraception. A government subsudie not of the specific treatment, but of all services provided by insurance. Gaea is a god and giving money through taxes for drilling holes in the earth is a big problem.

[smelltheglove]

Ya but we all know that the door has never and will never work two ways with the GOPs most hardline nutter butters. Its fine to question Obama's birth certificate, his Social Security Card, his selective service registration, and on and on. But HOW DARE YOU call Mitt Romney a draft dodger, when he is one, or question how his father ran for President despite actually being foreign born. I would much, much rather see someone in the news media actually question Mitt on being a draft dodger rather than "space jesus." The guy literally fled to France thansk to his daddy's money and influence rather than going to Vietnam to fight for the country like many brave Americans. I would give anything to see Obama ask Romney about that during tomorrows foreign policy debate. It would be amazing. Want to completely shatter his base? Prove to them that the good old Murican party candidate is actually someone completely unwilling to fight for Murica, who invests in China, who hides money in every country that isn't the US, that takes deductions for horses worth three-four times your house, etc.

except that this doesnt work with them. they voted for bush jr over not 1 but 2 decorated veterans, when his daddy bought him a spot in the national guard

[Grizzly Willy]

Oil subsudies, force the tax payer that is willing to cut oil consumption, to pay for oil anyway. Compare that with private insurance covering contraception. A government subsudie not of the specific treatment, but of all services provided by insurance. Gaea is a god and giving money through taxes for drilling holes in the earth is a big problem.

I'm sorry, what?

[Elegiac]

I'm sorry, what?

I thought she was a Titan.