Low IQ Linked to Conservative Beliefs & Racial Prejudice/Homophobia

[Deleted]

I doubt a handful of abortion doctors killed in the last few decades trumps the millions murdered by left-wing ideology in the same few decades.

Millions murdered where during the same decades as those abortion clinics bombed, doctors shot etc? I'm sure a murder of that scale wouldn't have gone as easily forgotten.

[Wells]

It is definitely not a good sample size when you are attempting to generalize the entire human population. It is incredibly unlikely in a sample of 254 people you would have a representative of every circumstance/race/culture/education to make your results accurate. In some studies sure, but not this one.

Once you reach a critical mass in your sample size you stop seeing variance as sample size increases. Essentially you just need to get enough people to account for possible variance.

Let's say you're rolling a dice and you want to track the odds of getting each number (ignore the fact its even for this). Clearly rolling it 10 times is not enough. But roll it 200 times? Now you're getting somewhere. But statistically after a certain point, say 200, you've sufficiently measured possible variance to the point where there is no need to continue rolling, as your data won't change.

[obdigore]

I've retreated from nothing. You keep moving your goal posts. I showed that there has been an attempt by left-wing homosexual groups to protest churches. I said nothing about wanting to join.

As for abortion doctors being shot in the US, that really has nothing to do with me, and is not an issue I care about. I doubt a handful of abortion doctors killed in the last few decades trumps the millions murdered by left-wing ideology in the same few decades.

Ha! Double Ha!

My original post that you quoted was about people 'protesting churches because they couldn't join because they are gay'. That means it is the original goal post that you continually change, you sent a link that talked about people protesting the catholic 'no contraceptives' stance, and then posted some girl in moderate bondage in an obvious attempt to irritate me. You then started talking about leftists killing priests, and now you claim that you don't care that doctors are killed in the US (the nation we have been talking about until now), but care about the 'millions' murdered by left-wing ideology in the same few decades.

I'm just going to stop here and say 'prove that millions murdered by left-wing ideology'. Prove with links or statistics or what-have-you that millions of people have been murdered purely because they are not left wing enough. And don't start linking Stalin or Kim Jong-Il who were clearly despots and although presented a facade of communism, were nothing of the sort.

[Wells]

I'm just going to stop here and say 'prove that millions murdered by left-wing ideology'. Prove with links or statistics or what-have-you that millions of people have been murdered purely because they are not left wing enough. And don't start linking Stalin or Kim Jong-Il who were clearly despots and although presented a facade of communism, were nothing of the sort.

I personally have exterminated tens of thousands.

With my left wing thoughts alone.

[obdigore]

I personally have exterminated tens of thousands.

Left Handed Bro-Fist then, because you are ahead of me on your idealogical rampage.

[kel]

i doubt this is true, it might be for some cases, but for cases such as, hitler it makes no sense.

[Stelio Kontos]

Millions murdered where during the same decades as those abortion clinics bombed, doctors shot etc? I'm sure a murder of that scale wouldn't have gone as easily forgotten.

Communism in Cambodia
Communism in North Korea just off the top of my head.

Hear that whoosh sound? That's the incoming "No True Scotsman" fallacies from left-wingers saying the communists were not "real" communists or socialists.

And even if you were to find a logically sound way to discount them (there isn't without resorting to the above stated No True Scotsman fallacy) there's still the fact that for pro-life people, the abortion industry has culled tens of millions of children just in America alone.

*edit: Oh wow, a new record! The No True Scotsman fallacy was thrown in before I even made my post! HUZZAH

[Deleted]

same could be said about religion

[Wells]

Wait you seriously think North Korea is left wing?

That's straight up fascism they've got going on there broseph.

Hear that whoosh sound? That's the incoming "No True Scotsman" fallacies from left-wingers saying the communists were not "real" communists or socialists.

Maybe the problem is you're woefully inept at political science.

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there's still the fact that for pro-life people, the abortion industry has culled tens of millions of children just in America alone.

As for abortion doctors being shot in the US, that really has nothing to do with me, and is not an issue I care about.

I'm confused.

[Szemere]

Well, of course, dumb people are more easily convinced of things, especially silly things, compared to somewhat brighter people.

However I don't think the two always necesarily go hand-in-hand, there is plenty of "dumb" people that are not racist/homophobic at all, and don't hold any conservative beliefs or religions for all that matters, and there's plenty of well-educated people that gruduated at university or something, that ARE (racist/homophobic/conservative), just because they might just hate/love something so much, that they make it part of their "lifestyle".

[vetinari]

WRONG. Understand the argument. Religious, no, ANY organisation should never teach factually incorrect beliefs to developing minds of children and teenagers as it gives them a wrong view of the world and potentially damaging effects.

Teaching something that is demonstrably, factually in error only sets someone back intellectually and is only a negative impact on society.

Strictly speaking, actually practicing abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy and spread of STD's

But thats the catch, isn't it? People will only practice abstinence if there is a good reason do so! Simply put, while chastity is a valued trait in a prospective wife (don't give me bullshit, you'd rather have a wife that doesn't fondly reminisce about other men), the median age at marriage is over 25. When young women (16) look at their slighty older peers (18-20), they don't see them husband hunting. They see them hooking up, having fun!

Its one thing to expect abstinence from puberty until marriage at 18-20. Its another thing to expect abstinence until marriage at 25.

And historically, menarche for girls was usually at 15-16. Nowadays, its closer to 12-13.

2-4 years of abstinence when everyone else is doing it? Not so hard.

12-15 years of abstinence, when almost no one else is doing it? Fucking impossible.

[Kalyyn]

I personally have exterminated tens of thousands.

I have seen the slayer of legions. He comes upon the land like a divine wind that can not be stopped, cannot be turned. Those who survive his wake know him only as Wells. I bring him now this blood offering and worship him as my god, so that he may know my eternal gratitude that where my brethren were slaughtered, I have been spared.

Blood for the blood god.
Skulls for the skull throne.

[Deleted]

Communism in Cambodia
Communism in North Korea just off the top of my head.

I've not read up on those but I will comment that surely left wing ideas don't automatically lead to communism, communism is a seperate ideology unto itself.

And even if you were to find a logically sound way to discount them (there isn't without resorting to the above stated No True Scotsman fallacy) there's still the fact that for pro-life people, the abortion industry has culled tens of millions of children just in America alone.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd this is where my post about teaching things to people that is factually in error being dangerous comes into play.
No abortion done legally has killed anybody. At the early stages of development they are not classed as an individual human nor have awareness. I'll trust the people who have done decades of research into it than someone who thinks it's murder without the proper qualifications to make such a distinction.


Edit:

I personally have exterminated tens of thousands.

With my left wing thoughts alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...I034MUWM#t=79s



(skip to 1min18secs if it doesn't automatically put you there)

[Wells]

Strictly speaking, actually practicing abstinence is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy and spread of STD's

But abstinence only education isn't.

don't give me bullshit, you'd rather have a wife that doesn't fondly reminisce about other men

I'd actually rather have a wife who knows what she's doing in bed thanks.

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I have seen the slayer of legions. He comes upon the land like a divine wind that can not be stopped, cannot be slowed. Those who survive his wake know him only as Wells. I bring him now this blood offering and worship him as my god, so that he may know my eternal gratitude that where my brethren were slaughtered, I have been spared.

Blood for the blood god.
Skulls for the skull throne.

This is too religious for the left wing.

We're more like the Tau.

Or wells for the Wells god.

[Kalyyn]

This is too religious for the left wing.

We're more like the Tau.

Or wells for the Wells god.

So Liberals are Tau, and conservatives are Space Marines...

Guys, I know how to fix American politics!

[obdigore]

We're more like the Tau.

Or wells for the Wells god.

Really? I assumed he was going for a Tzeench thing. The lefty crazy sexual desires and their (obvious) genetic mutations inherent therein. Corrupting the good, right-minded folk of the world with the lure of disgusting acts in our disgraceful leftist ivory towers.

[Peacemoon]

It depends how do you define conservative. In my mind its more to do with having a smaller state and letting people be more self reliant, not hating on minorities. There are people on the political left who have just as deep rooted 'traditional' values. The UK for example, has a Conservative led government that is bringing in gay marriage laws. I am broadly a conservative voter (centre-right) and I'm gay and have a degree in social welfare. I don't think I'd fall into the category of 'dumb blue collar straight man'.

I think the debate is confused though. How people act and their broad political views has more to do with how their society and culture is constructed and not specifically their IQ level (although it can be an indirect factor). It has more to do with 'modernization' of a society and less to do with right/left divide. Well off societies broadly have values that are no longer simply materialistic, instead they become more preoccupied about their freedoms, self-fulfilment and a tolerance of diversity. It was Marx who linked economic prosperity to peoples values. Then there is also existential-security, i.e if people feel their survival is 'secured' they are more welcoming of other cultures and other ways of life and not as threatened. In the UK we pay to eat out at Indian restaurants, in Iraq they are deeply suspicious of 'foreigners'. You are more likely to be attacked for being an ethnic minority in Iraq than in the UK.

It would not be a huge stretch to believe that people with a low IQ are perhaps more likely to lead lives with less security, and less economic prosperity and hence the link. You don't label these people as 'dumb' and then ignore their views, or write them off as irrelevant and proceed to sideline them. Once you understand why people unfortunately think the way they do, you can begin to empathise with them. Though again, I see many left wing voters at the bottom of the prosperity tree just as racist as people on the right who are at the bottom.

[Wells]

So Liberals are Tau, and conservatives are Space Marines...

Guys, I know how to fix American politics!

Let's be honest. The Tau are the liberals.

Everyone else in 40k are social conservatives.

[Stelio Kontos]

Maybe the problem is you're woefully inept at political science.

argumentum ad hominem

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But abstinence only education isn't.


I'd actually rather have a wife who knows what she's doing in bed thanks.

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This is too religious for the left wing.

We're more like the Tau.

Or wells for the Wells god.

That's positively Orwellsian.