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    A question about gravity. Where my astrophysicists at?

    let's say there's a basketball floating in space, and 5 light years away a star inexplicably blinks into existence. Does that basketball immediately feel the tug of gravity, or does it take 5 years before the basketball feels the tug?

    I guess my question is, is gravity's power bound by the speed of light?

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    It travels with the speed of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haxartus View Post
    It travels with the speed of light.
    so 5 years then, ty

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    e: I should've Google'd first ;P
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    Quote Originally Posted by haxartus View Post
    It travels with the speed of light.
    This. All massless particles and their associated fields propagate at the speed of light.

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    light has zero mass, AFAIK, which is why it's considered the speed limit.

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    The speed of gravitational waves is equal to the speed of light.

    At least that is what I learned in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethrogue View Post
    light has zero mass, AFAIK, which is why it's considered the speed limit.
    Actually that makes sense, since light is just photons which are the same, just a massless force mediation particle. I change my vote OP :P

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    Stars don't just blink into existence, the mass of the star already exists before it is formed, so the basketball would feel the gravity field of the star before it even became a star.
    Gravity doesn't "travel" at all, but the "dent" in space-time caused by the mass of the object follows the object at any speed.
    Would post a picture but don't have enough posts yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by u9k13tjc View Post
    5 seconds on google.....Speed of gravity......wikipedia:

    In the context of classical theories of gravitation, the speed of gravity is the speed at which changes in a gravitational field propagate. This is the speed at which a change in the distribution of energy and momentum of matter results in subsequent alteration, at a distance, of the gravitational field which it produces. In a more physically correct sense, the "speed of gravity" refers to the speed of a gravitational wave.

    The speed of gravitational waves in the general theory of relativity is equal to the speed of light in vacuum, c.[1] Within the theory of special relativity, the constant c is not exclusively about light; instead it is the highest possible speed for any physical interaction in nature. Formally, c is a conversion factor for changing the unit of time to the unit of space.[2] This makes it the only speed which does not depend either on the motion of an observer or a source of light and/or gravity. Thus, the speed of "light" is also the speed of gravitational waves and any massless particle. Such particles include the gluon (carrier of the strong force), the photons that light waves consist of, and the theoretical gravitons which make up the associated field particles of gravity (a theory of the graviton requires a theory of quantum gravity, however).

    The speed of physical changes in a gravitational or electromagnetic field should not be confused with "changes" in the behavior of static fields that are due to pure observer-effects. These changes in direction of a static field, because of relativistic considerations, are the same for an observer when a distant charge is moving, as when an observer (instead) decides to move with respect to a distant charge. Thus, constant motion of an observer with regard to a static charge and its extended static field (either a gravitational or electric field) does not change the field. For static fields, such as the electrostatic field connected with electric charge, or the gravitational field connected to a massive object, the field extends to infinity, and does not propagate. Motion of an observer does not cause the direction of such a field to change, and by symmetrical considerations, changing the observer frame so that the charge appears to be moving at a constant rate, also does not cause the direction of its field to change, but requires that it continue to "point" in the direct of the charge, at all distances from the charge.

    The consequence of this, is that static fields (either electric or gravitational) always point directly to the actual position of the bodies that they are connected to, without any delay that is due to any "signal" traveling (or propagating) from the charge, over a distance to an observer. This remains true if the charged bodies and their observers are made to "move" (or not), by simply changing reference frames. This fact sometimes causes confusion about the "speed" of such static fields, which sometimes appear to change infinitely quickly when the changes in the field are mere artifacts of the motion of the observer, or of observation.

    In such cases, nothing actually changes infinitely quickly, save the point of view of an observer of the field. For example, when an observer begins to move with respect to a static field that already extends over light years, it appears as though "immediately" the entire field, along with its source, has begun moving at the speed of the observer. This, of course, includes the extended parts of the field. However, this "change" in the apparent behavior of the field source, along with its distant field, does not represent any sort of propagation that is faster than light.
    google gives different answers apparently. The first one says it's many orders of magnitude above light speed, the second says it's equal to the speed of light in a vaccum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Re4p3r123 View Post
    Gravity doesn't "travel" at all, but the "dent" in space-time caused by the mass of the object follows the object at any speed.
    Would post a picture but don't have enough posts yet.
    The spacetime ripples actually travel and we call them gravitational waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Re4p3r123 View Post
    Stars don't just blink into existence, the mass of the star already exists before it is formed, so the basketball would feel the gravity field of the star before it even became a star.
    Gravity doesn't "travel" at all, but the "dent" in space-time caused by the mass of the object follows the object at any speed.
    Would post a picture but don't have enough posts yet.
    I'm well aware that stars don't blink ito existence. It's just a hypothetical to set up the question that I posed. Also a basketball wouldn't float in space, it'd explode instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethrogue View Post
    google gives different answers apparently. The first one says it's many orders of magnitude above light speed, the second says it's equal to the speed of light in a vaccum.
    Wikipedia is a more credential source than a random Yahoo-answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haxartus View Post
    The spacetime ripples actually travel and we call them gravitational waves.
    congrats on 5k, btw

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    When it comes to particle physics and interactions, you're best to just assume it's happening at the speed of light, or near to. The only thing in violation which we suspect currently is the Tachyon but we don't know whether that exists on not ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Re4p3r123 View Post
    Stars don't just blink into existence
    They do in gedankenexperiments.

    Quote Originally Posted by garethrogue View Post
    Also a basketball wouldn't float in space, it'd explode instantly.
    Only if it was a specific subset of basketballs known as "inflated basketballs".
    For experiments in space, you wouldn't choose from that specific subset.

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    The force of gravity moves at the speed of light...

    Meaning that if in a galaxy far far away a planet was destroyed a long time a go we would only just now feel a disturbance in the force...

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    It's a funny thought =) I presume then that if the star was to instantly vanish(no explosion of sort, no conversion of mass,just gone) it would still exert its gravity upon the basketball for 5years to come.

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