So because everyone has an alt with X profession you don't ever charge them to use your professions? So because you have enchanting on a another character you deserve the benefits of enchanting on all characters? Just because? Do I get to pick a node with your skill when in a group just because I have another character that is an herbalist? Do I get to prospect with your skill just because I have an alt that is a jeweler? Do I get to skin with your skill just because I have an alt that is a skinner?
I don't get to? Then why is enchanting so special that you get to use it just because you have an alt or a friend of your sisters uncle's cousins boyfriend that knows enchanting?
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It's true that leatherworkers, via skinning, do not have a reliable source of volatiles, yet they need them just as much. The bloated stomachs are few and far between, and carry 1-2 in each. I can get a TON of volatiles while mining, and if I'm an engineer, throw airs into the mix, as well. But a leatherworker can't take mining, because not having skinning is just... crippling, with the price of leather being what it is.
Leatherworking and Tailoring are easiest the biggest PITAs to level. Alchemy, Jewelcrafting, Engineering, and Inscription are royal jokes (especially inscription since they did the multi skill-ups with ALL levels). Blacksmithing and Enchanting are moderate at difficulty (I include Blacksmithing because mining is really friggin' fast and finding good routes is easy, and nodes are packed with ore).
LW and Tailoring are the worst because with LW you have to KILL a mob every time you need a mat, and you only get ONE mat per kill, 2 if you're very lucky, and at some levels, you need 10-20 kills per SINGLE SKILL UP. Tailoring is a pain because there's no reliable way to farm it outside of the normal killing and dungeons. Luckily, they alleviated a lot of that with the cloth bonuses in nothrend and cata, but it's still absurd how much cloth you need.
Everybody rolls DE on everything. What you smoking?
This is another thing I hate about the DE function. Before it, when I was leveling a new toon, or on another server, I could trust the AH would be stocked with useful greens if I needed an upgrade for a certain slot. Now, as far as greens go, the auction house is a barren wasteland, because everybody disenchants everything.
The disenchant roll option isn't instance only. It works as long as an enchanter is in your group regardless of the zone the enchanter is in. So you could have an enchanter in SW while you farm in Deepholm and get benefit of the disenchant. If the current system isn't flawed then it should apply to every profession. And allow use of gathering of every profession.
The thing is that most enchanters want the convenience of the disenchant roll. They just want something in return for providing that service with their skill since they have no say in the matter. An ability, like northrend cloth scavenging, that provides a chance for a proc every time an enchanter disenchants would pretty much solve most enchants problems with the system.
Its not that enchanters are selfish, entitled, or greedy. It is just that they want something in return for the time spent leveling their profession when part of their profession is "whored" out to every one and allowing them to profit off of a profession they didn't level.
Last edited by rhorle; 2012-07-13 at 04:36 AM.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
1. I don't charge for prospecting, milling, DEing, or smelting if I am currently not doing anything. If I am mail them to me and I will do them when I have time.
2. I wasn't aware that I was asking for the benefit of enchanting rings on all my characters, just the ability to save time by not mass mailing myself stuff.
3. What herb nodes are there in Cata dungeons?
4. If we were grouped and not doing anything I don't see how you pressing a button repeatedly takes away form my time so sure.
5. Once again you are not always guaranteed a skinnable mob in LFD yet you are always guaranteed a piece of gear will drop that can be DE'd. These two are not the same. But yes I wish they would drop skinning as a gathering prof or at least add another profession that uses it other than LW but that's a case for another thread another day.
6. I'm not using enchanting I'm just saving some time.
I don't get why you want people to have to take longer, yourself included, waiting to DE an item that would eventually be DE'd anyways. If it's because it says it used your skill to DE it then why not just ask for Blizzard to remove that or ask DE be removed from enchanting and just be a feature implemented into an npc or the UI.
---------- Post added 2012-07-13 at 04:32 AM ----------
That person who is letting you use their DE option more than likely would have DE'd the item for you anyways why make them and yourself spend more time doing it.
you're right, they'd lack the faculties to understand basic math and probably wouldn't even be able to realistically play with only have a brain.
Anyone with a full and functioning brain should eventually pick up on how much you can vendor/ah a random green versus the possible yield of dust/essence.
---------- Post added 2012-07-13 at 04:37 AM ----------
You seem to be under the impression that enchanters are letting you use the option like it's a choice on their part.
It isn't and it should be IMO.
If it is guaranteed then why isn't it available when no enchanter is the in the group or when no enchanter of sufficient skill level is in the group?
So why can't I use your herbing skill to pick herbs? You would likely go pick them for me. It just saves time that I can use your skill to gather from the nodes when we are grouped. Inside an instance or not since the Disenchant roll works outside of instances to you know.That person who is letting you use their DE option more than likely would have DE'd the item for you anyways why make them and yourself spend more time doing it.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Why use Cata mats as an example? WOTLK you need 600 Dust.
never again
never
I will punch myself in the testicles for 5 minutes nonstop before I level enchanting again after dropping it and learning it again so many times. I think I would cry if I felt like dropping it again, I have all the goddamn enchants in the game besides advanced herbalism -__________-
Ok ok ok this has gone on long enough.
SO:
Case example, enchanters are given this choice as to whether they DE or not for the group. Item drops chanter says "I'm not DE'ing that level it yourself if you want access to DEing stuff"* What do you think the reaction to that would be. I can't imagine the healers casting heals on said "team" player, etc. Isn't there enough drama in LFD without the enchanters feeling entitled to deny the group access to one of thier abilities.
I'm kinda tired of arguing back and forth, the sensible enchanters know how much MORE money they can make these days with it in place. The dumb ones will complain they're missing out on some mythical "mats market" gold (because yaknow, ppl trade in chanting mats simply for the fun of it, no one uses those things) and not adapt to making tonnes of gold out of enchanting**. Can we drop it now, this thread seems to be attracting new blood to argue with Maggie
*Which is what people seem to be asking for right?
**Has been expained oh, way back around page 10 maybe
But that's not fair at all. Why should you get any type of roll bonus? Everyone in the group worked for the item so everyone in the group should get a fair chance at obtaining it, regardless of the presence of an enchanter.
According to you, enchanters are entitled to every piece of trash that drops because they have the ability to make it into something more valuable than a 5g vendor price. If you roll disenchant, why should you benefit any more than the guy who just rolls greed?
On that logic you don't deserve the rights to utilize my 50k DpS in your group, you're entitled to the 10k DpS you could have gotten if I hadn't invested time and gold gearing up my toon. If you want access to it just level it yourself. The other 40k you can tip me for at the end of the run. (Trololol etc. etc. etc.)
Pfft when its DpS on my level its trained booya!
Yes its a retarded argument. It was an homage to all the great logic the enchanters have coughed up over the last 20 pages Someone nearly went down the "hurrdurr you don't DE then I don't heal" line a few pages back xD
FYI Enchanters are everywhere too