I'm sorry, let me rephrase. The current competitive PvE trend, aka the World first achievements and such set by developers. I love competition, and love winning, especially amongst my friends. I just don't care for world firsts or in getting full sets of heroic gear when I already have the full normal tier gear.
So it'd be just as fun regardless of world firsts for competitive PvE players, in terms of WoW raiding and leveling?
It has to be true in some sense.
Maybe I lost the main argument for whomever started the "there is no competitive PvE". Wasn't it something like without raids and guilds competing with DPS and for world firsts and the like, there is no "real" competitive PvE? Is that the whole point?