Ret Paladin 5.0.4 Guide

[Ticktac]

can someone confirm it plz if hurricane is an available option then landslide ?

There has been some conversation about this @ ElitistJerks.

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t129896-...1/#post2187890

Sounds like at this point it doesn't really matter.

It looks like, at least while we're at 85, it's just a matter of picking the style you like.

http://i.imgur.com/1Df8D.png

[Azshira]

Quick question about the cooldown uses. Are we supposed to use Wings with Holy Avenger or use them seperately? And where does Guardian fit in?

I did try toying around with it myself but I then just used the old way and stuck HA right at the end. But as zero said: "Same as before... Guardian first, 10sec after pop Wings and (if spec'd for it) Holy Avenger."

[Regen]

A little dissatisfied with my 5.0.4 dps :/ on LFR ultra I finished at 34.5k dps with the fight ending right after my second wings, first wings was at the pull with guardian and lust. Skada showed my inquisition uptime at 99.5% (thanks clcret) and I was following the priority listed many times here on the forums. Reforging/gear in sig. Now, I hop on my dk, 392 iLvl no four piece and normal gurth/eou. Pick my spec and talents without really looking at anything and without reading for a second about death knights hit up the dummy...after 10-12 minutes I was sustaining over 35k. It made me feel bad about my beloved paladin

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Side note: I haven't played dk really though ds. Not since like 5/10% nerf however long ago that was

[Merie]

Ret is always at the bottom of the pack at worst and near the middle of the pack at best. That's what you sign up for when playing a Ret Paladin. I made my peace with that long ago, I just wish I didn't have to ramp up and up and up to use Divine Storm. My god what a pain in the ass. I was running SM and Scolo on my main and I was just having a hell of a time getting large swarms down. What before took a single omnidirectional divine storm now seems to take 2-3 perfectly lined up with target Righteousness hammer or whatever they call it, that hits like a wet noodle. Why the hell do I have to nail 30 elite small fries two or three times with that thing just to kill them with epic 85 level 378 range epics? I know Blizzard is desperate to plug their holy power system with more than just the bare bones TV/Inq to spend the resource on, but this just isn't fun.

[Elim Garak]

They just made us even more bursty in single target situation. And really slow in aoe.
What happens at Ultra:
At the very beginning there's bloodlust, and we all go out.
I ramp up to number #1 position in recount at 80k dps. Hang there for 30 seconds.
At the end of the fight - i'm number #3-4 with 40k dps.

I like climbing up - I definitely do not like sliding down the rest of the fight.

In 4.3 it was 60k->50k with a high chance of me being number #1-2.

I hate 3 min Wings.

Aoe, slow as a turtle. The moment I got 3 HP - mobs are almost dead. If in 4.3 I could get up to 100k dps (if lucky), now I can't even get past 40k.

The only hope I got - it's just pre-mop period.

[Lolretadin]

Why is it Haste > Mastery at level 90, but Mastery > Haste at level 85?

[Faesroll]

Why is it Haste > Mastery at level 90, but Mastery > Haste at level 85?

Theoreticly it isn't but with the speed at which DS bosses go down and the only remotely long fight has a haste buff already makes mastery come out ahead of haste afaik.

[Azshira]

Theoreticly it isn't but with the speed at which DS bosses go down and the only remotely long fight has a haste buff already makes mastery come out ahead of haste afaik.

More or less and if you know what it feels like to sit at over 50% mastery during DS it's kind of funny :P

[Deleted]

I actually thought that DS 25% nerf is gonna bring us a bit lower on AoE but apparently it's just fine. Also, HA spec on Spine of Deathwing HC, my god.

[Azshira]

I actually thought that DS 25% nerf is gonna bring us a bit lower on AoE but apparently it's just fine. Also, HA spec on Spine of Deathwing HC, my god.

I wouldn't judge DS on how the aoe dps will be for level 90, it is seen as low, even though Blizzard thinks it was higher.

[hopefully]

Hey guys just a quick question about HA.When we use it does the rotation becomes holy power generator > TV > holy power generator >TV ? Also from what I have read it should be used after AW but how much of a difference does it really make dps wise ? and are there scenarios (Spine) where it is actually better to use them togheter ?

[anaxie]

Hey guys just a quick question about HA.When we use it does the rotation becomes holy power generator > TV > holy power generator >TV ? Also from what I have read it should be used after AW but how much of a difference does it really make dps wise ? and are there scenarios (Spine) where it is actually better to use them togheter ?

Spine and Hagara.

[Regen]

Aaaaand a follow up on before my dummy dps sucks. Anyone else? In Lfr with full buffs it's not horrible (but still not great) but on a dummy it's god awful.

[Reith]

Aaaaand a follow up on before my dummy dps sucks. Anyone else? In Lfr with full buffs it's not horrible (but still not great) but on a dummy it's god awful.

If you're hitting boss dummies, they're level 93 already.

[Regen]

If you're hitting boss dummies, they're level 93 already.

That could explain TV and Exo missing a lot while capped on hit and expertise

[Krekko]

That could explain TV and Exo missing a lot while capped on hit and expertise

Yeah, go to a 85 dummy for closer numbers to what you want. You'll have skewed results otherwise.

It'd be cool if they'd have an "arena" area with a spawnable set a mobs which you could adjust yourself so you're never out of a Raider's Dummy.

[Lolretadin]

Theoreticly it isn't but with the speed at which DS bosses go down and the only remotely long fight has a haste buff already makes mastery come out ahead of haste afaik.

I did some tests on the 85 dummy while maximizing my reforge for Mastery and then Haste. What I noticed was that the Mastery tended to preform better in every test that I did (Keeping in mind I only did about 6 tests per build). I did a 1 min, a 2 min, and a 5 min test; it seemed like the burst during CD use was higher due to the reduced CD, but the sustained seemed to suffer. It could just be the tests, since I did a relatively small sample, but I'm not sure. My priority list was as such;

Inq > TV (5HoPow) > Exsor > HoW > CS > Judge > TV (3HoPow).

Also, quick question on my part, I am currently spec'd for Holy Avenger. With a 2 min CD, I generally wait for AW to be up before using it (As CD are generally best used together). Should I just be popping it on CD, or continue to save it for every 3 min rather than every 2? Or would it be better to just spec Sanctified Wrath?

[Regen]

Yeah, go to a 85 dummy for closer numbers to what you want. You'll have skewed results otherwise.

It'd be cool if they'd have an "arena" area with a spawnable set a mobs which you could adjust yourself so you're never out of a Raider's Dummy.

Just got heroic gurth and tried a level 85 dummy and I stuck around 39k, rather than 17k....so thank you, again, Krekko.

[Vuagnon]

Clc default has tvdp at the beginning of the rotation. Is that correct? And yeah, ramp up for aoe sucks quite badly. Mobs melt down before I can use divine storm. Perhaps increase hotr damage a bit and remove its target requirement so we can fire and forget with it like in divine storm. It's also needed for on demand stealth detection in pvp.

[Grognard]

Clc default has tvdp at the beginning of the rotation. Is that correct?

Strictly speaking, no; if you have a Holy Power generating ability off its cooldown, that ability should have priority over TVDP - thus, logically, TVDP should be at the very bottom. However, on dummy testing, I noticed that I would end up wasting a lot of these procs, so I moved it up a little in the priority:

inq inqdp tv5 how cs tvdp exo j

I'm gonna try this priority out tonight in raid. Set up like this, I'm essentially prioritizing abilities with mastery damage attached over those without, because mastery is still a huge chunk of our overall damage.