Mastery>Haste?

[AngelBear14]

I recently went back to my Holy Paladin.
I have messed around with the DS stats (Haste>Mastery) then I messed around with Mastery>Haste and I felt like I got higher numbers and healing throughput with it. Plus I was able to keep my mana up It was just LFR testing, but My illuminated healing(Shield) Was my top heal on both stat weights. I decided to go to Mastery because it would increase the shields even more and hopefully help more during AoE damage.

Anyone else has the same ideas or can give me an explanation on what you do?

[Deleted]

I've been a strong defender of haste over mastery throughtout the cataclysm, but I've changed for mastery too since 5.0.4. Our spells cost more mana, or at least it feels like it, but are stronger, so they will give bigger shields. That, in my opinion, makes mastery superior to haste.

[AngelBear14]

Thank you Sepharoth. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making a fool of myself when I go raid tonight lol.

[cigar3tte]

So far I've read two guides and both say Mastery > Haste. Guides before 5.0.4 have Haste > Mastery. Seems your findings are correct.

[Theholypally]

I was one of those people that was always haste > mastery until 5.0.4 came out.

I used to reforge to mastery only for heroic madness, however since the mana changes I switched to mastery and just never went back. Heals are so expensive now that with the level of haste from heroic gear and all the regen mechanics that were reduced or completely removed mastery is going to be better for longer fights overall. You will get high numbers with mastery, they won't be nearly as high as they used to be with the old holy radiance but they are still up there.

I'm liking mastery (i have 35% shields with BoM) and plan to continue with a spirit>mastery>haste>crit setup well into MoP.

[AngelBear14]

Thank you all. This made my day

[Deleted]

No theorycrafting or whatever, just putting it out there for further discussion

But my best guess (GUESS) is that haste/mastery is kinda close to eachother when it comes to HPS. How long your mana is holding up is another question... So excited for how it's gonna play out in MOP. Would love to have haste come clear out top since imo it's the most "fun" stat to stack, leave absorbs to priest's please.

[silverhatred]

Nothing even comes close to mastery. The amount of instant spells we have makes mastery even better as well as the haste procs which devalue haste. Generous use of cs makes mastery even better.

[Pasture]

Another haste freak who has been converted to mastery here. It seems like the sensible choice in current DS levels but also in entry level for MoP. Mastery is very strong at the moment. Just don't let your haste fall too far behind.

[Theholypally]

Nothing even comes close to mastery. The amount of instant spells we have makes mastery even better as well as the haste procs which devalue haste. Generous use of cs makes mastery even better.

Spamming Crusader Strike for HP isn't in the cards anymore

[silverhatred]

Spamming Crusader Strike for HP isn't in the cards anymore

Man I wish whoever spread these lies around didn't exist.

See:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...8#post18392728

both of my posts there.

[Theholypally]

Man I wish whoever spread these lies around didn't exist.

See:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...8#post18392728

both of my posts there.

Yeah using it every so often but not off cd, not like before.

[Azshira]

Secondary stats: spirit > mastery > haste > crit. Outlined this on my 5.0.4 thread also.

[silverhatred]

Yeah using it every so often but not off cd, not like before.

If every so often means "not in the cards" then ok.

[Pasture]

If every so often means "not in the cards" then ok.

What he actually said was SPAMMING CS isn't on the cards, ie using CS on cooldown. Which is true. Can't we all just agree to intelligent, practical CS use as and when it's useful and be happy about it? It seems like we're all saying the same thing but arguing about it anyway.

[Lecan]

What he actually said was SPAMMING CS isn't on the cards, ie using CS on cooldown. Which is true. Can't we all just agree to intelligent, practical CS use as and when it's useful and be happy about it? It seems like we're all saying the same thing but arguing about it anyway.

Welcome to the internet

[silvertitan]

Our pally's both went full mastery and there numbers went up, cant say whats better at 90 though.

[Athama]

Mastery is what I found to be better at 85 but like Silver said 90 could be totally different

[Pasture]

Mastery will likely be even stronger at 90 due to mana worries.

[Kerfax]

I will say again that I personally feel that Mastery is a much stronger stat. It may be mathematically just under Haste for HPS, but it is far and above stronger than Haste for HPM. Mastery will also affect a lot of our spells at 90 that wont be affected by Haste (Holy Prism, LoD, WoG).
It is also true that we are currently balanced around 90 and Mastery may be a little stronger at 85 than it should be. Only time will tell at this point.