Heroic Dungeons too easy

[LuminousAether]

The problem in Cat was that there were only a few regular dungeons at 85, and the rewards were total crap. So ridiculous repetition for crap rewards is not a good design to get people to do your content, so yeah people are going to skip it. In MoP you aren't even meant to do regulars at 90, my gear level at the moment on my 89 ret pally is 437, and I have not done anything other than quests, so 440 isn't a big stretch.(and actually I have farmed the brewfest trinket which I can use the second I hit 90 which should push me over the top). Now you can no longer cheat with PvP gear since iLevel is determined only using PvE stats, so now the only way to cheat is using higher ilevel off spec gear.

The reality though is this, if you cheated your ass off to get into LFR but know how to play your class you will still out DPS the guy in full epics that doesn't know what the hell he is doing. The people you don't want there are the people who cheated AND don't know what the hell they are doing.

I think I was at about 434 when I hit level 90, and that was both tank and dps set. It took me a few hours to hit 440 because I didn't purchase any gear, I just finished the quests in Dread Lands.

Even before ilvl, I would lie off my ass when people asked me my gearscore in WotLK. I would inflate the hell out of it and hope they didn't check. I would also request an invite wearing my highest gearscore equipment regardless of if I planned on using it in the raid or not. Hell, I lie when people ask me my ilvl these days. Never been called out on that one, but I was called out on the gearscore from time to time.

---------- Post added 2012-10-03 at 01:30 AM ----------

Easier than end of Wrath heroics, that's for sure.

Nah, not to that level yet. I was pulling nearly entire instances at once at the end of Wrath.

---------- Post added 2012-10-03 at 01:31 AM ----------

Wich are almost all cleared within 2-4 weeks of the moment they are released. You can act like there is a lot to do, but there is in fact not. But nowadays pet battles is considered to be max lvl content so I lost hope for most people out there anyway. :P

Play another MMO then get back to me. WoW has approximately 400% the amount of content that any other MMO has for the endgame.

[Conscious]

Nah, not to that level yet. I was pulling nearly entire instances at once at the end of Wrath.

I've done pulls where we literally just don't stop moving, until we get to the boss.

And then we are still killing the trash, while we're doing the boss.

Keep in mind we're in mostly blues and some epics here. It's kind of ridiculous.

[mvaliz]

I've done pulls where we literally just don't stop moving, until we get to the boss.

And then we are still killing the trash, while we're doing the boss.

Keep in mind we're in mostly blues and some epics here. It's kind of ridiculous.

No you weren't. There was MAYBE the one guy in blues... but the rest of you probably had ICC gear in order to do that.

At Wrath-start, you could NOT chain-pull trashmobs. Bran's escort quest would overwhelm you with Iron Dwarves, and Loken's AoE blast would one-shot any player at Wrath-start.

[Conscious]

No you weren't. There was MAYBE the one guy in blues... but the rest of you probably had ICC gear in order to do that.

At Wrath-start, you could NOT chain-pull trashmobs.

No no, I'm talking as of like ten minutes ago. Current content. And I was referencing Post-ICC Wrath, my apologies for not clarifying.

That said, we're chain pulling these Mists heroics like it's our jobs.

[Sesto]

Why do they need to be hard? Heroics are for gearing up. They aren't the "true end game".

[Conscious]

Why do they need to be hard? Heroics are for gearing up. They aren't the "true end game".

Heroics that were too easy were massively discouraged by Blizzard at the end of Wrath. They didn't like the fact that it took no effort, as well as the literal burnout factors it created.

The only difference here is this isn't post-ICC heroics, we don't have decked out characters from farming set pieces.

We're steam rolling through them a week after they've been released, something I sure hope isn't intended.

[Snarebusta]

They're fine, why have difficult heroics when there are challenge modes?



Then don't do them, but if it's a challenge you want that's why they are there. Heroics are for gearing up.

Why should gearing up be super easily and boring? For 90% of the players thats all they will ever do. The time consuming nature of BC content is why it was successful. Being more difficult was part of the recipe for time consumption. Lots of content was the other. Sounds like these new heroics are easier than level 70 normal dungeons were.

[Snakehead]

Heroics that were too easy were massively discouraged by Blizzard at the end of Wrath. They didn't like the fact that it took no effort, as well as the literal burnout factors it created.

The only difference here is this isn't post-ICC heroics, we don't have decked out characters from farming set pieces.

We're steam rolling through them a week after they've been released, something I sure hope isn't intended.

Bads like gear.

Sadly the casuals are wrongly lumped in with the bads as the reason for weak content.

[Sesto]

Heroics that were too easy were massively discouraged by Blizzard at the end of Wrath. They didn't like the fact that it took no effort, as well as the literal burnout factors it created.

The only difference here is this isn't post-ICC heroics, we don't have decked out characters from farming set pieces.

We're steam rolling through them a week after they've been released, something I sure hope isn't intended.

Blizzard disliked how Heroics were at the entirety of Wrath, not the end of it. I don't see how it would make sense for them to surprised that people in full heroic gear can faceroll a heroic. A group that over gears an instance has always been able to faceroll it.

[ShimmerSwirl]

It always bothered me in wrath when my group would get upset at me for going ahead to keep pulling trash while they killed the boss. With threat being trivialized, 15 seconds of max dps on the boss would allow me to hold aggro the rest of the fight, and I could safely forge ahead with trash pulls and have everyone just AOE the whole mess down. But some people got upset at me for not 'tanking the boss', and I had to adjust my ways.

[AbalDarkwind]

Sorry, I should clarify. Challenging content with gear progression.
I assumed you would read the context, how foolish of me

Challenge Modes offer quite a bit more Valor than Heroics do. If you're good, you can cap your Valor much quicker doing Challenge Modes over Heroics.

If you're good.

[Deleted]

heroic dungeons difficulty is were it should be similar with the rewards they provide

[Nerraw]

Heroics that were too easy were massively discouraged by Blizzard at the end of Wrath. They didn't like the fact that it took no effort, as well as the literal burnout factors it created.

They learned the hard way that, despite what is said on the forums, the vast majority don't actually want hard heroics, as evidenced by the Cataclysm launch and drop in subscriber numbers.

[Deleted]

I love how people on these forums make proper poll options. It's either A or B, never anything between. Sigh...

Yeah they're easy. They weren't meant to be that hard. Raids and Challenge Modes fill that void (and the latter is pretty fucking challenging).

[Deleted]

I'd say they are too easy personally, but then I'd remember the desaster that was pugs + cataheros at release and so I say: perfectly fine. thank you.

[Deleted]

I would say some boss mechanics should hit harder than they do at the moment but other than that they are fine.

I've done 30+ heroics as a healer at this stage and I'm starting to notice people ignoring mechanics again, easily just standing in fire or void zones on the ground and expecting it to be healed through.

[Nero Duskwind]

In Wrath... "Dungeons in BC were too hard, make these easier!" Blizz said ok.
In Cata... "Dungeons in Wrath were too easy, make us pay attention and use CC!" Blizz said ok.
During Cata... "Dungeons are too hard, make these easier like they were in Wrath!" Blizz says... "oh fuck it, these people have no idea what they want. Add challenge modes".

And now the refrain is "Heroics are too easy, but I dun wanna do Challenge Modes. WAY TO FAIL, BLIZZ!"

[Deleted]

I've done 30+ heroics as a healer at this stage and I'm starting to notice people ignoring mechanics again, easily just standing in fire or void zones on the ground and expecting it to be healed through.

I have no problems letting those kinds of people die. Hell I'll even go through an entire wipe just for the small shimmer of hope that these people might've learned something in the process.

I am a patient man.

[Deleted]

well I feel like I would pick 2 optons here.
Yeah I think there are really easy, but tbh I dont have anything against it, it's not a content that I intend to do for challange. Fast valor farm? - hell yeah, I don't want to wipe with clueless people in LFD. Fast easy run is something what I want from 5 man, I will have my fun in raids.

[Masser]

Why do they need to be hard? Heroics are for gearing up. They aren't the "true end game".

And what is the "true end game"??? Don't say it's Raiding!?