The fact that there are dozens of other extremely talented 10 man guilds out there, and they are blowing all of those out of the water, just goes to show how incredibly skilled and dedicated Paragon is as a guild.
It is a shame that the game developed the way it did towards the end of Cata, making so many of their members no longer interested in playing, but nevertheless they have always proved they are simply a world class guild.... and when you put (probably) the 10 best PvEers in the world in the same raid, things get done... quickly.
Big congrats to them. I think 25 mans will always hold a somewhat superior place in the minds of a lot of older players, since that is simply what we were used to being the top tier, but if you are sitting at 6/6N or 1/6H yourself (or worse) and all that comes to your mind when you hear of Paragon's kills are "Lawl 10 man", then grow up.
only 40man counts...
They are definitively not the best individuals, they are the best guild. Being talented doesn't make your team talented. It helps, and I am not saying they are not good. But individually you will see better player. They just play best as a team.
As everyone expected, Paragon got world first Elegon.
Just noticed on Wowprogress that they were now 5/16. They seem to be going well. Middle of the night right now though in EU so my guess is they'll start on Will later after they've slept.
That is pretty impressive though 5 out of 6 available bosses down within 24 hours of starting heroics (for europe then).
Percentage of kills...
25 Normal Stone Guard: (97.78%) vs 10 Normal Stone Guard: (95.26%)
25 Heroic Stone Guard: (10.35%) vs 10 Heroic Stone Guard: (1.09%)
25 Normal Feng: (73.07%) vs 10 Normal Feng: (66.06%)
25 Heroic Feng: (2.39%) vs 10 Heroic Feng: (0.21%)
10 heroic is obviously easier
Sad to see them having to downscale, nice to see they're still kicking arse.
lol 10 man.. hahaha 25m is all that matters.
This.
Paragon is 5/8 atm with their 10man setup, and the next 10man guild is 2/8, what does this tell you?
Just as comparison there are 8 25man guilds currently at 3/8 hc.
Some bosses are easier for 25m, some for 10m, but looks like 10man is overall harder this time.
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Paragon 10m - 5/6
(8x 25m guilds) - 3/6
Crimson Blade (next highest 10m guild) - 2/6
So yeah. Little perspective for those whining about 25 vs 10.
Guys there are no "easy" raids on heroic pre-nerf. No matter if 10 or 25 man, it's a painful job to deal with. Paragon has been there all the time for 2 expansions so far, and that's the third ongoing, even if they had hard roster problems, even with that short amount of raiders they've left with, they still managed to kill 5 bosses on heroic difficulty in the 1st week of HC Raids.
So please don't talk crap about how 10-man is easier... If your guild can make this by that time on 10 man then be my guest, but I seriously doubt it. They are top players, they've always been, and you have to give them the credit they deserve for that. And I'm not a fan of them, but I really can't close my eyes and talk bullshit, while some players playing the same game I play are like miles away from thousands of people and even milions...
And btw I'm sure that if they had their strong old core for 25 man, they would've been probably in the same place now, maybe not 5 but 4 for sure.
Gz to them, knew they were going to do obscenely well this tier. It's to be expected, switching to 10m & taking your best players. Plus the obvious advantage gearing in 25m normal brings.
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We all know that one setting will always be harder as it can never be balanced but it is waaay too early to start theorising about which one is hardest (from wowprogress numbers) simply because the sample pool is way too low. Currently there is no way to tell which is the harder mode unless you go and try them both in similar gear.
Theres many factors that wowprogress doesnt take into account such as player skill, in the past there have been a lot more first 25 man kills because the top 25 man guilds are 10 times more hardcore than the top 10 man guilds. Paragon proved that brilliantly, this is the very first time a truly hardcore 10 man guild exist (in EU+US atleast) and it is showing already.