The Problem of GW2 PvE

[ControlBlue]

I love how people think I am here to somewhat defend WoW...

Alright, I'm in delirium, new MMO players will magically spawn and GW2 will do a better than WoW catching them first despite a PvE that can only be enjoyed by a niche, I get it! Whatever.

I obviously am only giving opinions based on things I've heard and saw, however they are sound opinions and I actually spent some times thinking those over. I might be wrong of course.

[rhandric]

PvE in GW2 is only flawed if you expect it to be something it's not. Plain and simple. Yes, there are some changes in difficulty that should be made, and everyone knows that...and hopefully the new dungeon with the Nov patch will show that they're working on it through interesting mechanics, we'll have to wait and see. If you're looking for a WoW combat style, GW2 isn't the game for you, and it will never be made into that style game. Trying to force some preconceptions on GW2 and then complaining about them making it a failure is your own problem, not a problem inherent with the game.

[rhandric]

This is where these topics always go awry. People have brought up a LOT of points about GW2's PvE that have absolutely nothing to do with WoW, and yet these posts about "This isn't WoW" and "This isn't the game for you" manage to creep to the surface nonetheless.

And you choose to focus on that part. I only include that part so that people who didn't understand the first sentence could have a clue what I was talking about. Stop nit-picking and respond to the content, rather than the specific (additional) phrasing.

[Deleted]

Alright, I'm in delirium, new MMO players will magically spawn and GW2 will do a better than WoW catching them first despite a PvE that can only be enjoyed by a niche, I get it! Whatever.

Why do people think that all MMO players play/have played WoW?

[Deleted]

How am I nitpicking? Your first sentence is more of the same, with the whole, "It's your fault for think it's something it's not." stuff that also pervades these topics.

Im sure that rhandric is refering to people stomping their feet and yelling that they want trinity in gw2.

[A Challenger!]

I love how people think I am here to somewhat defend WoW...

Alright, I'm in delirium, new MMO players will magically spawn and GW2 will do a better than WoW catching them first despite a PvE that can only be enjoyed by a niche, I get it! Whatever.

I obviously am only giving opinions based on things I've heard and saw, however they are sound opinions and I actually spent some times thinking those over. I might be wrong of course.

No one said GW2 has to do better than WoW, but like I said earlier, if server sizes are a measure, GW2 is doing better than you give it credit for. Much better.

More to the point though, sound opinions doesn't make right opinions. Your opinion is just that: An opinion, so stop pushing for it to sway others, that just isn't going to happen. Those who enjoy GW2 will enjoy it, and those who don't will play something else.

[Marthenil]

My only gripe is that Arah is yet again bugged. I so want that armor set :C
Other than that, I'm perfectly fine with GW2's pve. I even find it way too easy.
I am melee, and in order to survive i have to be on my toes 100% of the time, but if you master it it feels awesome.
Doing 15 min CoF runs just requires some coordination and tactics.

[Chrno]

Combat is fine
boss mechanics are not... can't emphasis on that enough ... let's hope they'll fix it

[Deleted]

So you are basically thinking that all the people who massively enjoy that "boring" PvE in WoW are just doing it wrong? What are the probabilities that you are right and all those millions of people who left WoW for multiple games but always came back to it (including GW2) are playing something they don't realize is boring? All I can say is that they have numbers on their side, you don't!

Take it easy man. Nothing personal here

Maybe you forgot to read the "i enjoy much more" and "in my opinion" and you invented "wow". And never said that people playing other game is doing wrong. And btw i didnt play wow because at the time of its release i was a fps gamer and when i become too old for that kind of games and started playing mmo with friends i started from war online then swtor. Thats my little experience with mmos.

So calm down, i dont think there is right or wrong here. People is free to like or dislike things, i am telling you my experience with a game i enjoy very much and that i feel more funny that other mmo i played. I find it more various, i feel that i have to be more careful when to use my utility skills that just use them on cds like i did in other games i played.

When i started playing gw2 and did first dungeons playing in the old "trinity" style i had very hard time but playing with more "attention" to skill use and playing together with my group mates i found the gameplay very funny and rewarding. Thats why i wrote on this thread, tired of reading about "in order to do dungeons you have to just gy zerg". Well i think thats (i) wrong way to play gw2 and (ii) booooring

Said that i agree that the pve is not perfect, some "bosses" are joke and in many occasion i enjoy much more the "trash" part in dungeons but i still enjoy the active combat i have to do instead staying almost still pushing buttons like other mmo i played.

Again, ofc my opinion!

[Deleted]

WoW is like a big bisexual orgy where everyone does one thing well and if you combine all that everyone gets combined pleasure.

GW2 feels like 5 guys masturbating in a small room, watching missionary position porn.

omg, best analogy ever

[Sackman]

I love how people think I am here to somewhat defend WoW...

Alright, I'm in delirium, new MMO players will magically spawn and GW2 will do a better than WoW catching them first despite a PvE that can only be enjoyed by a niche, I get it! Whatever.

I obviously am only giving opinions based on things I've heard and saw, however they are sound opinions and I actually spent some times thinking those over. I might be wrong of course.

The problem is you keep making it a competition. It is not. The games are not trying to be the same, they are not trying to appeal to the same people. They never were going to appeal to the same people. GW2 isn't looking to "Bring in all the people who might go to WoW", they have a different game, for different people to enjoy.

There are problems with GW2 PVE and indeed the combat, but it has nothing to do with their distance from the WoW model, or the trinity.

[ControlBlue]

I really hope he didn't get banned for that... because the analogy is kinda fitting lol :P

Anyway, no GW2 doesn't have to do better than WoW, however it still has to grow and unfortunately there isn't that much room for growth in the MMO market with the cyclopian giant that WoW roaming around, you are very likely to get those new players from WoW.

Also opinions are boring if you can't push them on somebody else :P... to a degree.

Finally, it is a -fact- that GW2 PvE has detracted a lot of people from the game, and I think it will continue to do so until they propose a gameplay that, while it doesn't have to be WoW's PvE gameplay (again I am NOT asking for the Trinity), can concurrence it when it comes to interesting fights, theorycrafting (not just action), builds, ect...

[Deleted]

Well, the real boring thing here is reading about wow in every post from users that cant get over it and enjoy something different :P (or simple go back to the game they like more).

About facts, the real one that interest me is that there is tons of people enjoying gw2 dungeons and playing it every day.

[ControlBlue]

You have the numbers to prove that :P (I obviously don't have numbers to contradict you either lol). In my case I have seen enough people go for their refund and blaming the PvE to know that it is likely a problem the game we have to do something about. But hey, in a way all we can do is throw opinions backed up by our own observations at each other.

Right now, the best thing to do is observe the trend and then we will be able to see who was right or wrong.

Time will tell.

Funny how we came back to the exact thing I've been saying a couple pages ago.

[Sackman]

I really hope he didn't get banned for that... because the analogy is kinda fitting lol :P

Anyway, no GW2 doesn't have to do better than WoW, however it still has to grow and unfortunately there isn't that much room for growth in the MMO market with the cyclopian giant that WoW roaming around, you are very likely to get those new players from WoW.

Also opinions are boring if you can't push them on somebody else :P... to a degree.

Finally, it is a -fact- that GW2 PvE has detracted a lot of people from the game, and I think it will continue to do so until they propose a gameplay that, while it doesn't have to be WoW's PvE gameplay (again I am NOT asking for the Trinity), can concurrence it when it comes to interesting fights, theorycrafting (not just action), builds, ect...

Nobody is disputing there are concerns around Guild Wars 2 PVE, but to run in circles where people just say "i think there is a problem", "i don't think there is a problem", is pointless.

Instead, pinpoint the issue, with some form of evidence, and make suggestions for how it could be improved. Else this thread will just end up closed.

You have the numbers to prove that :P (I obviously don't have numbers to contradict you either lol). In my case I have seen enough people go for their refund and blaming the PvE to know that it is likely a problem the game we have to do something about. But hey, in a way all we can do is throw opinions backed up by our own observations at each other.

Right now, the best thing to do is observe the trend and then we will be able to see who was right or wrong.

Time will tell.

Funny how we came back to the exact thing I've been saying a couple pages ago.

I have a friend who also no longer plays WoW, and tried out GW2, and sold his account after a week to my other friend, because he didn't enjoy the lack of end game raiding and PvE content. But he didn't go back to WoW. He plays neither.

I don't make generalisations based on this though, because for 1 of him, I have 20 other LOCAL friends, who login almost everyday.

I won't continue stating how I disagree with your statements regarding WoW's market dominance. GW2 is free, which changes a lot, much like LoL and Dota2. I don't just play SC2 because it cost me £50, I play Dota, I play GW2. People don't just inhabit one game, and believing that x% of WoW's players play JUST WoW, is very silly - and is a discussion for another thread, so lets try to keep it to whatever thread that is, where ever it is, on the site.



I think what would help the game, is making conditions and boons more apparent. Have them last longer, or be more evident.

A lot of the cross profession combo's last for such a short duration you barely notice them.

I think it would be cool if certain cross profession combo's or buffs, caused longer duration, or more fun interactions. (For example, blast-ethereal provides chaos armor to everyone, make it so each of their armor's, if their duration ends without having being used, sends off a chaos bolt that bounces 3 times to nearby allies and foes providing random condition/boons)

Right now combat is chaotic, which is fun and unique, and I don't think it should be lost, but it could be made better if profession combo's were something you worked towards, rather than something that "just happened" and if they were useful in more situations.

[ControlBlue]

I think what would help the game, is making conditions and boons more apparent. Have them last longer, or be more evident.

A lot of the cross profession combo's last for such a short duration you barely notice them.

I think it would be cool if certain cross profession combo's or buffs, caused longer duration, or more fun interactions. (For example, blast-ethereal provides chaos armor to everyone, make it so each of their armor's, if their duration ends without having being used, sends off a chaos bolt that bounces 3 times to nearby allies and foes providing random condition/boons)

Right now combat is chaotic, which is fun and unique, and I don't think it should be lost, but it could be made better if profession combo's were something you worked towards, rather than something that "just happened" and if they were useful in more situations.

Personally, I woudn't mind seeing the thread closed, I think it has served its purpose a long time ago.

Other than that, I can defitely agree with what you just said. When everyone was still speculating on how the combat in GW2 would function my stance was that they would make the applications of boons and conditions per seconds a factor on wheiter you are fighting well or not, and since so many conditions had also a control effect I figured it would be their way to ensure that DPS dont just stand there just throwing out numbers but actively help control the fight through those.

I wouldn't mind if they gave more weight to boons and conditions on encounters outcome, either in PvP or PvE.

[Deleted]

Did this Giganticus Farticus thing in Arah Explo mode... and it was a nightmare... died 7 or 8 times with 3 or 4 wipes.

This thing always focues me (Mesmer)... no matter with what. auto attack always on me... charge always on me... i dont have enough cooldowns/skills/vigor for dodging that much.

Phase 2. He does his AOE, I stand near the edge of the red circle, go out of the red circle... BAM auto hit for 80% HP.
I use my heal and what happens? he charges me, I jump away, EVADE is shown on my screen and the second i land on my feet he hits me again and i´m dead.

next try. AOE time, I stand in the centre of a circle, jump away, jump another time because there is a auto hit with my name on it. CHAAARGE! blink! no endurence for the next auto hit...and he does this as long i´m alive.

he never bothered about my allies (exept with his AOE) as long i was alive. soooooo much frustration.

Im sorry that my post isnt so easy to read but this fight was such a hustle and bustle i really dont know how i could write it better.

[rhandric]

Were you making use of your clones, particularly through abilities such as Decoy, which stealths you and spawns an image? Dodging isn't meant to be your only survival method.

[Deleted]

dodge, blink, portal, staff blink.

the leader said i shouldnt use invisibility cause the boss can reset because of this.

the boss ignored my clones and illusions and they mostly died in the aoe.

/edit. Prepared myself for the next run... blink is still my def cooldown. maybe i will use mimic too but i dont know if it works against this type of projectiles. Instead of the staff i will use a scepter and a 1 h sword now for 2 more block cooldowns.

[Gray_Matter]

Did this Giganticus Farticus thing in Arah Explo mode... and it was a nightmare... died 7 or 8 times with 3 or 4 wipes.

This thing always focues me (Mesmer)... no matter with what. auto attack always on me... charge always on me... i dont have enough cooldowns/skills/vigor for dodging that much.

Phase 2. He does his AOE, I stand near the edge of the red circle, go out of the red circle... BAM auto hit for 80% HP.
I use my heal and what happens? he charges me, I jump away, EVADE is shown on my screen and the second i land on my feet he hits me again and i´m dead.

next try. AOE time, I stand in the centre of a circle, jump away, jump another time because there is a auto hit with my name on it. CHAAARGE! blink! no endurence for the next auto hit...and he does this as long i´m alive.

he never bothered about my allies (exept with his AOE) as long i was alive. soooooo much frustration.

Im sorry that my post isnt so easy to read but this fight was such a hustle and bustle i really dont know how i could write it better.

Maybe it was love at first sight