Man Kills Two Teens Robbers

[Deleted]

That, is the legal definition of murder.

Um... no it isnt.

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)

[Rukentuts]

Nah, murder implies significant premeditation or malice. Its manslaughter at best.

Second degree murder does not.

Premeditation is only for first degree murder.

Here is the statute:

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subdivision 1.Intentional murder; drive-by shootings.

Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being with intent to effect the death of that person or another, but without premeditation; or

(2) causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit a drive-by shooting in violation of section 609.66, subdivision 1e, under circumstances other than those described in section 609.185, clause (3).

By his own words "want him dead", and his actions (shooting her at point blank up through the chin), he is guilty.

[Porcell]

Nah, murder implies significant premeditation or malice. Its manslaughter at best.

Premeditation isn't a requirement for 2nd degree murder. There was certainly malice in this killing though.

[Purlina]

Um... no it isnt.

He didn't mean literally you silly goose.

But yeah, killing someone because they laughed is murder.

[SirRobin]

Second degree murder does not.

Premeditation is only for first degree murder.

Here is the statute:

By his own words "want him dead", and his actions (shooting her at point blank up through the chin), he is guilty.

Which is before we bring up the extenuating circumstances.

As his own words seem detached, symptom of shock, since the male intruder had already been dead for a day.

[Rukentuts]

Which is before we bring up the extenuating circumstances.

As his own words seem detached, symptom of shock, since the male intruder had already been dead for a day.

That's for a jury to decide. The charge definitely has probable cause to stick, however.

[kjcasey]

Look you can twist what ever you want to out of your analogies of a criminal! I would much rather have a criminal that gets a speeding ticket in society than a drugged up dangerous criminal committing felony home invasion. Hence you get a fine for speeding and if caught go to prison for home invasion or like this case end up dead! So you just keep on with that rubbish!!

It is a tangent, one of quite a few which have happened which are related to the thread. Did you just realize your statement was erroneous?

"Most people" does not matter, in the slightest bit. We are talking about reality, not subjectivity. A criminal is someone who commits a crime. Crime:



If someone can get a conviction from getting a speeding ticket, than they committed a crime, and are therefore a criminal. They are therefore no longer "law abiding." That said, they are still a citizen. To tie it into this, both the teenagers were criminals, because they committed crimes, although they were still citizens. If the man is convicted, than he will be the same as them: a criminal. You cannot be a law abiding citizen and a criminal at the same time.

[Deleted]

He didn't mean literally you silly goose.

But yeah, killing someone because they laughed is murder.

But I wanted to try to make a funny in this thread of serious faces D=

[nbm02ss]

Which is before we bring up the extenuating circumstances.

As his own words seem detached, symptom of shock, since the male intruder had already been dead for a day.

Or, you know, he could be a psychopath. Won't know until the trial.

[kjcasey]

Or he was afraid for his life and wanted them dead before they killed him.

Which is before we bring up the extenuating circumstances.

As his own words seem detached, symptom of shock, since the male intruder had already been dead for a day.

[Purlina]

But I wanted to try to make a funny in this thread of serious faces D=

But you could have caused people to laugh!

Which in turn may have resulted in several murders. No need to thank me for saving lives...

[crakerjack]

Premeditation isn't a requirement for 2nd degree murder. There was certainly malice in this killing though.

Hahaha... it's FAR from malice... malice would imply he went to find them out of anger... there was no angry killing... just killing. So when soldiers in Iraq shoot and kill a taliban... it's out of malice? Killing is killing... I know what malice killing is... this is just a man protecting his home.

[Deleted]

But you could have caused people to laugh!

Which in turn may resulted in several murders. No need to thank me for saving lives...

...well played XD

[Purlina]

Hahaha... it's FAR from malice... malice would imply he went to find them out of anger... there was no angry killing... just killing. So when soldiers in Iraq shoot and kill a taliban... it's out of malice? Killing is killing... I know what malice killing is... this is just a man protecting his home.

When your dragging someone around you no longer need to shoot them. That goes way beyond self defense.

[kjcasey]

Go to this link. This says it all! these kids were not the angels their friends and family want you to think. They were planning this home invasion!http://abcnews.go.com/US/minnesota-t...4#.ULZzZIbN1bx

[Purlina]

Go to this link. This says it all! these kids were not the angels their friends and family want you to think. They were planning this home invasion!http://abcnews.go.com/US/minnesota-t...4#.ULZzZIbN1bx

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[SirRobin]

When your dragging someone around you no longer need to shoot them. That goes way beyond self defense.

Actually that would depend on why you are dragging them. Are you dragging them because you don't want the bodies in the way when your new washer and dryer arrive? Are you dragging them out of the way because you are afraid more are upstairs and their bodies will reveal where you are hiding? Are you dragging them out of the way because you think she is the forgiving sort and you might get lucky? Again, context.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

But three rights make a left.

[Deleted]

Nah, murder implies significant premeditation or malice. Its manslaughter at best.

Significant malice. Victims' age to be taken into context.
Straight up vigilante murder.

[Kasierith]

Look you can twist what ever you want to out of your analogies of a criminal! I would much rather have a criminal that gets a speeding ticket in society than a drugged up dangerous criminal committing felony home invasion. Hence you get a fine for speeding and if caught go to prison for home invasion or like this case end up dead! So you just keep on with that rubbish!!

What words were I twisting? I am using the exact definitions of the words, whereas you are ignoring the definition and introducing your own because you don't want to admit that the mans actions puts him in the same legal group as the two drugged up teens who broke into his house.

What you must said is subjective. No matter how you try to deny it, any person who receives a conviction is a criminal, by merit of the very definition of the word. So someone who gets a conviction for jaywalking is a criminal, just like someone who murdered 50 people and tortured their families for years is a criminal. The only difference is the extent of the crime and the punishment.

[Purlina]

Are you dragging them out of the way because you are afraid more are upstairs and there bodies will reveal where you are hiding? Are you dragging them out of the way because you think she is the forgiving sort and you might get lucky? Again, context.[COLOR="red"]

I think the gun shots may have given away his position / fact that he is in the basement. But maybe that's just me using common sense...