Calling abortion a selfish act is utter bullshit. For all you know the mother really wants the child, but aborted because she knows she can't provide a decent life for said child, or she fears the father would abuse/molest it.
You can call specific examples selfish (I don't want the child, I just want to party), but you don't get to call the act of abortion selfish.
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No, it doesn't. You pick a dollar figure, and I'll pay it for 18 years rather than have a pregnancy (not an option, since I'm male, but you get the point).
Besides which, there's a fairly straightforward fashion for men to mitigate this risk - use contraceptives and sleep with women that you're reasonably confident don't want children.
Ofcourse if I'm willing to pay and raise the child 6-7 months of medical expenses aren't exacly important. As for pregnancy itself, it's hardly something that would scar (not talking stricly physicaly) some for life, especially seeing how many rights women have in America, they wouldn't have to work and they'd still get payed because of their pregnancy.
Well, I dunno, if the situations were reversed, can you really expect someone to have to support a child they never wanted for 18 years (or more)?
Contraceptives fail, and women (aka humans in general) are sometimes deceptive.
There are just as many counter-arguments from that side as there are arguments from yours.
But again, you're going off on the whole "x party forces y party to do z" instead of, you know, some form of actual rational compromise.
Noone should be able to DECLINE an abortion if the other party wants it.
If the woman can have the baby then ask for child support when the man didn't want it then yes a man should have equal rights in deciding to keep it or not.
You could always go ahead and find someone that actually wants to be pregnant rather than attempting to force it on someone.
Really, you should make this view clear to any woman that's thinking about sleeping with you. Make good and sure that they're aware you desire to control them.
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It's the woman's body, not the man's. So, no. Although, the woman should be considerate to the man and not, say, sneak behind his back when he wants the kid to abort it, you should at least give them a heads up.
Also I could see a man abusing his right to a woman having an abortion by guilt tripping them into getting it/not getting it. I agree a man should have a say in if he wants to be a father or not, if he doesn't want to pay child support he shouldn't have to. (Of course with some restrictions, like, if a father is involved with a kid, then just one day drops out without saying anything)
That to me is more fair than having a man have the right to say a woman should get an abortion, legally.
Last edited by Digglett; 2012-12-05 at 02:07 AM.
It's a rather binary situation. It's unfair to the father if he has no say but it's also unfair to the mother if the father has any say.
If she's sneaking behind his back, it's likely because of fear of violence.
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So, if a man's sufficiently determined, he should be able to subjugate a woman's body to his desire. Rape cool too?
Of course he should. It is HIS baby too.