Patch 5.1 Hotfix: 11/12/12: Battle Fatigue buff

[Linneth]

so class with some of the most problematic self healing and highest damage reduction remains un nerfed, but specs that rely almost entirely on non percentage based heals for survivability and have next to no passive damage reduction are nerfed.

thats balance people.

I hope you're talking only about Warriors and not about Rogues.

Let's see how it affects pvp, but I'm more concerned about the retarded amount of instant healing spells some healers have.

[Dundebuns]

That's fine. I didn't want to spend my MW stacks on healing anyway ;_;

Warrior nerf was justified. Now warriors will not be based on a random chance proc stacking past 1 any more. They will still retain their mobility, which is no longer over the top, and still be able to provide decent pressure.

[Jawless Jones]

Great, I think this makes Disc, Holy, Mistweavers, and possibly druids un-viable in PvP. Well done, GC!

if you think this you shouldnt be pvping in the first place...

[apepi]

Yup, I think that I am going to try feral and see how that goes because my boomkin heals are not good now..I don;t even want to see what they look like now...

[Deleted]

They ARE bringing down burst. Haven't you seen the latest patch notes? Warrior's TFB down to 1-stack on players and Frostbomb damage nerfed by 50%

Mages and warriors is not the only classes with damage being over the top, that is why it seems weird to me doing this at the moment.

[Nicola]

Mages and warriors is not the only classes with damage being over the top, that is why it seems weird to me doing this at the moment.

But they are the 2 classes whose damage is the highest, other classes will follow for sure.

[Deleted]

Ironically. So basically, the way that they're going to "fix" PVP is by nerfing healers and offhealers, but forgetting about the classes that can't actually heal, with one of those being a pivot of complaints since expansion launch.

"LOGIC"

I think that this is targeted at offhealers and healers in arena, I think blizzard learned that nerfing/buffing accross the board always creates opness-upness at some level for some classes. I am sure if warrior healing isnt affected it will get nerfed. For instance the frost bomb nerf has actually been talked about on these forums. A little faith in blizzard plz. This is coming from a warlock btw.

[Dânce]

Burst and cc are out of control, I have an idea, lets nerf healing! Healing should be the last thing to be hit with the nerf bat until cc and burst are fixed. Bring those two things under control THEN nerf healing accordingly.

[Theholypally]

Oh, this should be fun.

[Raugnaut]

This explains why my healing wasn't as powerful as it was before by a long shot. 15% less when engaging in pvp combined with pvp power no longer affecting it, meh.

[Deleted]

Unless they extend Battle Fatigue to cover the percentage heals, which would be sensible.

No it wouldn't. There's a big difference between a hybrid spec that can off-heal and say a hunter that has spirit bond and spirit mend.

The first can burst insane hps, while the latter can't. So what you are saying would not be sensible at all.

[Gotjuice]

Good change. Time to nerf CC and do some more fine tunning.

[apepi]

No it wouldn't. There's a big difference between a hybrid spec that can off-heal and say a hunter that has spirit bond and spirit mend.

The first can burst insane hps, while the latter can't. So what you are saying would not be sensible at all.

Insane burst?It takes me 7 healing touchs to get me full health from 0(non crits).

[asb]

Insane burst?It takes me 7 healing touchs to get me full health from 0(non crits).

Yeah, but that's because you're a druid. The slightly more predominant paladin and shaman healers have much higher on-demand throughput, and that's what sets peoples' perspective of what a healer can do. Druids are good, but their throughput is far from bursty. I feel like Blizzard should address shaman mastery and holy power healing instead of just flat nerfing all healers, but I can see how that would take a lot of work and would more than likely provoke some tears from the PvE camp.

[apepi]

Yeah, but that's because you're a druid. The slightly more predominant paladin and shaman healers have much higher on-demand throughput, and that's what sets peoples' perspective of what a healer can do. Druids are good, but their throughput is far from bursty. I feel like Blizzard should address shaman mastery and holy power healing instead of just flat nerfing all healers, but I can see how that would take a lot of work and would more than likely provoke some tears from the PvE camp.

I am talking about off-spec healing and it seems like your talking about main healing?/confused

[asb]

I am talking about off-spec healing and it seems like your talking about main healing?/confused

Hmm. Yeah, I was. Sorry, just skimmed through here a little. Weird though, because that's still the same ballpark as a resto druid's HT spam. Maybe takes me 4-5 instead of 7, but I just assumed it was gear or the hotfix that would make up that difference. Still, my point was simply that it's really just two healer specs that have this ability to instantly top someone off on-demand, while everyone seems to think any class with a casted heal is that powerful. I agree with you, I just wanted to expand on it a little.

[Nnyco]

Insane burst?It takes me 7 healing touchs to get me full health from 0(non crits).

if you only use healin touch you may are a bad druid

[Tyrean]

if you only use healin touch you may are a bad druid

Tell that to all the ferals and boomkins (for which they only have healing touch and rejuv, lol rejuv!)

[Baene55]

Good, now healers will actually have to do something besides stand there getting attacked by 4 dps and casting one healing spell without ever dying. Maybe 7 out of 10 people will not be healers in WSG etc anymore. Awesome change.

[Venaliter]

Great, I think this makes Disc, Holy, Mistweavers, and possibly druids un-viable in PvP. Well done, GC!

if you think this you shouldnt be pvping in the first place...

If you DON'T think this you shouldn't be playing in the first place.

Once the burst damage and healing is down all we'll need is a massive overhaul to CC to finally equalize the dispel nerf and we'll be good to go.

I don't agree with Flaks much, but I can really get behind this statement.

Burst and cc are out of control, I have an idea, lets nerf healing! Healing should be the last thing to be hit with the nerf bat until cc and burst are fixed. Bring those two things under control THEN nerf healing accordingly.

Brilliant. I think you should work for Blizzard with logic like this. Make pick a screenname like DeathShrimp, Crawlerghost, Ghostshrimp...Something like that.