Multicultural friends

[Deleted]

One of my early childhood friends was adopted from South America. Since then my circles have included a mixture of people, not familiar with many Asians though.

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Well one it is racist and 2 its so vague that it doesn't even refer to anything so why would anybody ever use the phrase?

It does refer to something. Black music is music pioneered by black people. If I'm being racist for loving music created primarily by Afro-Americans, then by God I'm a proud racist.

[Gamdwelf]

It does refer to something. Black music is music pioneered by black people. If I'm being racist for loving music created primarily by Afro-Americans, then by God I'm a proud racist.

ok fine, I'm going to go listen to black music, you know Drum and Bass, and them some Techno. Then some Justin Beiber, by your definition all black music.

[xylophone]

The same is true of most of the Spanish speaking people I know, to be honest, if they're a family who has decided to live here permanently rather than a worker who comes over for a few years then goes back to Mexico. My step family, for example, came to the US from Colombia like 10 years ago. All of the kids, while still very comfortable in Spanish, are more comfortable in English these days, they have their citizenship, and self-identify more as American than Colombian.

IMO with Hispanics it's more a case by case basis. Those who make an effort to integrate do so, but there's also a relatively larger percentage that filter into Spanish speaking enclaves. Though I live in San Diego so this might differ from the norm.

[Deleted]

I am slightly racist, but as long as people are nice that's very easily overcome.

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You say I cannot be a racist because you don't like it? I'm sorry for you then but I'm not going to change my views based on what you like or don't like.

Nah, that's not what I'm saying. You don't necessarily choose to be a racist, it is brought on by experiences and socialisation. I myself can't deny having had racist thoughts from time to time. But just because you have them doesn't mean that you don't know it's wrong to think like that, and even if you might be a racist, knowing this yourself and acknowledging the fact that it isn't right is a step in the right direction.

Is anyone going to tell me that racism isn't a negative thing? I'm not saying that you're a bad person just because you have racist thoughts, but I am willing to say that you are a bad person if you don't see the issue with having such thoughts (I'm not calling anyone a bad person, I'm pretty confident that no one would think that racism is perfectly fine)

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ok fine, I'm going to go listen to black music, you know Drum and Bass, and them some Techno. Then some Justin Beiber, by your definition all black music.

That's your definition of black music. My definition of black music is music created during the 19th and 20th century by, well, black people. If you wish to call all music created in all of mankind black music, you're free to do so.

[Gamdwelf]

That's your definition of black music. My definition of black music is music created during the 19th and 20th century by, well, black people. If you wish to call all music created in all of mankind black music, you're free to do so.

Rock and roll, pop, and dance music were pioneered by black people in the 19th and 20th century, so therefor they are black music.

your definition.

[Jackmoves]

ok then all music is black music by your definition, since all people come from Africa originally
all music = black music.

Basically if you want to say music but take more time and letters say black music.

Whatever, you seem to have absolutly no idea what you are talking about. I could show you video interviews with some of my favorite black artists(all the original creators of house and techno) and do you know what? When they discuss their influences, soul, disco etc they refer to it as... yup you guessed it.... BLACK MUSIC.

This is a common term, it's been around for ages, no one takes offense from it... at least not normal people.

[Gamdwelf]

Whatever, you seem to have absolutly no idea what you are talking about. I could show you video interviews with some of my favorite black artists(all the original creators of house and techno) and do you know what? When they discuss their influences, soul, disco etc they refer to it as... yup you guessed it.... BLACK MUSIC.

This is a common term, it's been around for ages, no one takes offense from it... at least not normal people.

I'm not taking offense its just completely irrelevant to add a racial identifier to and idea or creation.

Its like saying I got on my white info box to listen to some black music then watching some yellow cartoons.

When you could have said, I got on my computer to listen to jazz music, then watch some anime.

[Kivimetsan]

Living in Australia the majority of my friends are either White, South East Asian or Greek/Italian (I know they're not the same, but here they're basically in the same category).

[Raidenx]

The same is true of most of the Spanish speaking people I know, to be honest, if they're a family who has decided to live here permanently rather than a worker who comes over for a few years then goes back to Mexico. My step family, for example, came to the US from Colombia like 10 years ago. All of the kids, while still very comfortable in Spanish, are more comfortable in English these days, they have their citizenship, and self-identify more as American than Colombian.

It's true for all immigrants to the US and Canada. I speak from experience. I also lived in France for 2 years and it seemed like immigrants there had a harder time assimilating. Maybe its because Americans/Canadians lack the history and ethnic nationalism they have in Europe (Maybe its because they don't know as much about other countries since they are relatively isolated and big) , but here I was treated like an American as soon as I arrived. Apart from the odd questions about my former country I never got treated differently. My parents arent culturally American like I am but they respect American traditions and such. They have never had problems either. I wont blame immigrants' issues completely on the French though. The immigrants in Paris caused a lot of trouble in the area I lived in.

[Jackmoves]

I'm not taking offense its just completely irrelevant to add a racial identifier to and idea or creation.

Its like saying I got on my white info box to listen to some black music then watching some yellow cartoons.

When you could have said, I got on my computer to listen to jazz music, then watch some anime.

It's not irrelevant when you discuss the origins of a genre. It's very much relevant since there may be aspects that influenced the music to be made by black people from the start. You are trying to dispute a word that has been used for decades, by anyone, white, black whatever that has been involved in music... no one puts a negative spin to the way the expression is used, because there is no racist intentions with it.

[Dirgon]

I rather not hang out with people.

I'm pretty much this as well.

I've had a few friends who weren't white American nerds like me, but not many. Nowadays I have a wide circle of friends that includes two whole people, three if you count my wife, and several acquaintances (or friends of friends) who are basically more of the same. White nerds.

[Gamdwelf]

It's true for all immigrants to the US and Canada. I speak from experience. I also lived in France for 2 years and it seemed like immigrants there had a harder time assimilating. Maybe its because Americans/Canadians lack the history and ethnic nationalism they have in Europe (Maybe its because they don't know as much about other countries since they are relatively isolated and big) , but here I was treated like an American as soon as I arrived. Apart from the odd questions about my former country I never got treated differently. My parents arent culturally American like I am but they respect American traditions and such. They have never had problems either.

Its not really an odd question in the US to ask where your family came from, because most people's families came from another country withing a recent history time frame.

[Deleted]

I'm not taking offense its just completely irrelevant to add a racial identifier to and idea or creation.

Its like saying I got on my white info box to listen to some black music then watching some yellow cartoons.

When you could have said, I got on my computer to listen to jazz music, then watch some anime.

It might be irrelevant, but it's still a widely used term used by pretty much anyone.

[Raidenx]

I'm pretty much this as well.

I've had a few friends who weren't white American nerds like me, but not many. Nowadays I have a wide circle of friends that includes two whole people, three if you count my wife, and several acquaintances (or friends of friends) who are basically more of the same. White nerds.

Can't hate meeting people if you have a wife, right?

[Gamdwelf]

Oh god you must be trolling by now. Black music is a common term used by everyone for ages. Hell, it's even got it's own Wikipedia page, posting it to appease your perfectionist little soul. Just admit you were wrong.

It still doesn't mean anything, the term is almost as broad as just saying music. The phrase "Black Music" doesn't mean anything so when you use it to describe anything you could be describing dubstep or jazz, or rock and roll or practically anything, the phrase means nothing.

It adds a racial identifier for no reason. The word Nigger has been used for hundreds of years does that make it ok?

[Jackmoves]

It still doesn't mean anything, the term is almost as broad as just saying music. The phrase "Black Music" doesn't mean anything so when you use it to describe anything you could be describing dubstep or jazz, or rock and roll or practically anything, the phrase means nothing.

You put it into a context like you do with any other expression, ie "I got inspired by mostly black music while growing up, my parents played a lot soul and disco records at home".

I fail to see how this is racist.

Anyways it doesn't matter, it wont go away, it's a common expression used in the industry and you are free to think it's racist if you like to.

[Gamdwelf]

No. Music = all music in the word. Black music = music created by black people. Just like Czech music = polka or Irish music = welll irish music. Do Irish people get offended when you call their music "Irish music"? Should we just call it "music"? That wouldn't really tell you what I mean, would it?

Doesn't apply for the music of the 21st century really where culture is getting more homogenized and globalized with every minute, though. It's still true though that early jazz, rap, funky and stuff is black music. That's not opinion, that's a fact.

still dubstep, so is rock and roll, and like so many genre's that the phrase becomes irrelivent. And those would all be shoved under white music, polka, classical, music, with galic music, and everything else invented by white people.

Those places you listed a are countries where black is an entire racial group.

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You put it into a context like you do with any other expression, ie "I got inspired by mostly black music while growing up, my parents played a lot soul and disco records at home".

I fail to see how this is racist.

its racist because you add a racial identifier for no reason that makes no sense. you should have just said "my parents played alot of soul and disco records at home, it inspired me.

[Lily Crowley]

I only hang with a very few selected friends, mostly because I am not really a people person. Currently they're all Norwegian.

I'd like to be able to say I don't mind people from other cultures, but I guess I do to some extent. Or more precisely, I object to their culture.
Take for example Romani culture. "We marry off our daughters as soon as they hit puberty." Yeah, that shits no good man. I wouldn't want to hang with someone who found that perfectly okay, just because its called 'culture'. It'd bother me too much.