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Wow, what a unique idea, I'm sure that people that lose loved ones in these situations don't even think about the killer /sarcasm
Just because you blame the killer doesn't mean you can't also try to prevent future occurrences. Event has happened, how do we prevent it again. If we only blame the killer 100%, don't look at any outside motivation or preventative measures, does that mean we just say oh well and move on? or do we kill everyone we see so they don't kill us first? How about instead of saying it's "fail logic" to want to save lives, you offer some constructive conversation in this thread?
People are not talking about preventing future occurences, they are talking about lowering body counts. People who oppose the pointless "ban" understand that having smaller magazines and tougher background checks do absolutely nothing to prevent mass killings. Lower body counts, maybe, but prevention? Nope.
We talk about lowering body counts because gun proponents are so adamant against measures that would help reduce the number of actual crimes. So all that is really left is to reduce the damage that these crimes can do.
But whether you save 10 lives from one shooting or 10 lives from 10 separate shootings, you're still saving lives, and that should be the goal.
The only ways to lower instances of mass killings would never make it through your political system to become the laws they need to be. Increased funding for mental health? Nope that's more spending (R) shut it down (plus there is such an inherent stigma attached to mental health in North America that even the increased funding would never be enough to reach everyone in need of it). That's basically the only thing that would possibly prevent it other than a complete reduction on firearms, knives, baseball bats, explosive items, vehicles, etc. So yes, you are right, people are talking about lowering body counts, even the NRA with their talk of armed guards are merely talking about lowering body counts. You think a guy that's planning to kill himself after really cares if he gets there kills 10 instead of 100 before being shot by an armed guard (or more likely shoots the armed guard, after all, he has the element of surprise on his side)? Nope, so again, yes we are talking about lowering body counts, which seems more productive than making snide internet comments about the people discussing it.
It doesn't really matter too much if my magazine can hold 10 bullets or 30. A magazine reload takes about two seconds for me and I can do it while moving. It's really fast when you don't have to care about recovering the empty magazine, which is probably the case if you're on a killing spree. Not a lot of training required.
Altough the longer magazine is more pleasant to hold onto if you don't have a foregrip on an ak-47 style weapon (non issue for people with ar-15's).
Last edited by mmoc43ae88f2b9; 2013-01-16 at 10:04 PM.
That's a bit of a blanket statement, innit?
I'd say it's quite likely that most jaywalkers care about laws when it comes to violent crimes.
Unless we're talking career criminals (irrelevant to the issue) or repeat offenders (the one place where your statement actually fits in)
Last edited by mmoc24ed1da916; 2013-01-17 at 05:30 PM.
You just made the argument for not allowing weapons that use ammo clips/drums. Want a gun for home defense? Try a shotgun with a few shots or a revolver. Want a rifle for hunting? Single-load or one that can only hold a few shots. Want the pleasure of shooting at a range? Let the guns and clips be stored at the range under heavy guard.
Are we all forgetting that the Virginia Tech shooter used hand guns and still managed to kill more then at Sandy Hook?
Viginia Tech is scary as f*ck. I'm surprised no one has done a movie about that place yet.
1. Virginia Tech Massacre--33 dead, 23 injured
2. Virginia Tech couple murdered assassination-style off campus, shot point blank, no explanation as to their deaths
3. Virginia Tech graduate student DECAPITATED in a SCHOOL CAFETERIA by a fellow graduate student, no one does anything to stop it from happening.
If I believed in curses, I'd swear that place is cursed...
Do you even know, anything of what have happened the last 100 years?
Do we have less of a clue, about the right to defend our selves?
My country, has been under 2 unions, + we were occupied by the nazis during the second world war...
does this make us, not having a damn clue about how to defend our self?
Honestly, weapons are not the best way to defend one self.
And sure as hell, ain't the smartest way, to protect your house hold.
Because of Christianity. thats why.
Last edited by Insigna; 2013-01-23 at 01:35 AM.
If you want to see an example of a world where Militia's stood up against a government, watch revolution.. ignore the bit about no electricity just focus on what the world is like after the government fell. Looks like a really friendly place - The militia confiscates all guns, anyone who owns a gun and is not part of the militia is sentenced to death.. tbh i don't think that would be far from reality if there was a civil war and a winner emerged.
Someone give this guy a medal.
You say europe doesnt know jack for not having everyone armed to the teeth. Youd also say that North Korea is underdeveloped because it still has communism. Now consider what North Korea thinks of your way of life and realise gun banning is the next natural step. Everyday joes are too damn stupid to have weapons, nevermind those bestowed with below-average intelligence.
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
-Abraham Lincoln
Closing and redirecting this discussion to THIS thread to keep all the conversation consolidated, since it's essentially identical.