Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Cthulhu 2020]

Thats like saying queers, using this term since it is a derogatory for a derogatory term replacement of redneck, only exist in extremely liberal areas.....And you said, pretty much everyone with a gun, that is not a huge ass generalization of gun owners? Please stop being an idiot.

I never even said this. Perhaps you're thinking of someone else? On top of that you threw in a baseless insult. Don't you feel silly.

[Mayhem]

How is "Rednecks don't exactly give a shit about laws and government they don't agree with." not saying that rednecks don't exactly give a shit about law and government they don't agree with?

hu? i´ve said not every gunowner is a redneck, that´s it

[Rukentuts]

You missed the last 5 pages where the articles you linked were obviously identified as not scientific. Please, do continue to tell us they were though.

Yes, I'm well aware that most gunners are incapable of knowing what statistics and the scientific method are. It correlates well with the educational attainment statistics and gun ownership.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well I'm sure they had the word 'scientific' in there somewhere! That's all you need!

Apparently FBI.gov and DOJ statistics aren't scientific, they're a government conspiracy by the lizard men.

[Mayhem]

You see what I mean Mayhem? He attacks ME and not the arguments I make.

you did the same thing, and i´m not defending his post, i´m merely saying that he didn´t include every gunowner, you could´ve said not every redneck is like he´s discribing them

[Mormolyce]

Which will never happen.

No kidding.

Enjoy your homicide rate :P

No. The real issue is not guns, but the poverty, drugs and gang mentality. Which if you want to really stop a weed from growing, you kill the roots. And media we allow only glorifies this issue.

It is estimated the US has 11 - 13 million illegal immigrants which do bring in more poverty, drugs and gang mentality. Are you saying Canada and Australia have more immigrants then that?

And no way it will happen. You can dream on all you want. But reasonable gun control and laws can reduce guns from getting into the wrong hands. But is something which is not going to happen in a year or two. :P

All your peers have those problems as well, and yet have a quarter of your homicide rate.

[Eroginous]

you did the same thing,

Really? The guy's 'argument' amounts to 'people who disagree with gun control laws are rednecks' to which I responded with a critical post of that very argument, and that's somehow an attack on him too? If I bring up the fact that most of his posts are snarky attacks on other people, it's because that's relevant to whether or not he's contributing anything useful to the discussion.

He won't post responses to specific arguments (he won't even quote people's arguments in his responses), he instead posts something that directly ridicules the person in some way.

How exactly is that productive or useful?

Apparently FBI.gov and DOJ statistics aren't scientific, they're a government conspiracy by the lizard men.

You ever been to a corner store and seen those hats with 'FBI' embroidered on them? If I buy one, does that make me a part of the FBI? Like officially? Likewise, if I post something onto a website as an FBI or DOJ employee, does that make it 100% truthful and accurate? Do you think maybe it's possible that the FBI and DOJ are about as scientifically educated as the average high school student, and will post whatever study people give them, no matter how truthful or accurate it might be?

You know, because the guys who run the website obviously verify the data first hand with their own study, right?

[Mormolyce]

There is a constitutional right to bare arms. The vast majority of gun owners will never use them to shoot someone. So, what you are arguing is because a few people can't handle the responsibility of owning a firearm, everyone should have their constitutional right removed. That just does not sit well with me at all, its like saying because a few people cried "fire" in a theater that the first amendment should be revoked.

I support mandatory background checks, a waiting period and even a psychological evaluation, but I will NEVER support a ban.

A few huh?

In 2001 the 9/11 bombings killed just under 3,000 Americans. Same year, Americans killed 15,980 Americans. 70% of those (where the weapon was known) were with firearms.

For perspective, almost all of America's peers have homicide rates in the region of 1 per 100k residents. America's is more like 4-5 per 100k residents.

It's not just a few. The US has a very serious problem, and it IS specifically the US.

[Mayhem]

Really? The guy's 'argument' amounts to 'people who disagree with gun control laws are rednecks' to which I responded with a critical post of that very argument, and that's somehow an attack on him too?

you yourself made that conclusion out of "rednecks don´t care much for laws and government they disagree with"

[Eroginous]

you yourself made that conclusion out of "rednecks don´t care much for laws and government they disagree with"

Like I said, there was no reason to even use the word 'rednecks' if that wasn't his intention.

A few huh?

In 2001 the 9/11 bombings killed just under 3,000 Americans. Same year, Americans killed 15,980 Americans. 70% of those (where the weapon was known) were with firearms.

For perspective, almost all of America's peers have homicide rates in the region of 1 per 100k residents. America's is more like 4-5 per 100k residents.

It's not just a few. The US has a very serious problem, and it IS specifically the US.

See, we use terms like 'few' and 'many' to compare quantities based on their relation to other quantities. When you have a quantity of 3 million people in a small country, 15k murders a year would be significantly different than in a large country with 300 million people. That's why we can say things like 'few' in response to the number of murders in the US each year. Trying to boil down America's 'homicide problem' by posting a statistic is rather disingenuous. 'America's peers' have their 'socioeconomic shit' together which is likely the biggest factor in determining how people behave.

When you have a large population of people unemployed, who can't get health care, living in conditions rivaling a 3rd world country, those people will do things that most people living in another 1st world country would never do. Have you not seen some of the living conditions of the poorest people in America? Google Detroit.

Tell me that's not a major cause of the homicide rate in America. I dare you.

[Rukentuts]

The US has a very serious problem, and it IS specifically the US.

The USA also seems to have problems recognizing problems. It's why significantly less than half of Americans think man-made climate change is real, despite nearly all science saying it is. They really have no comprehension of science, nor do they want to. It's easier to live in a bubble and scream "freedom"!

The aforementioned group people also seem to be one in the same.

[Mayhem]

Like I said, there was no reason to even use the word 'rednecks' if that wasn't his intention.

doesn´t change that he wasn´t talking about every gunowner, if it was his intent, well just ignore it, that would be stupidity speaking for itself

[Rukentuts]

doesn´t change that he wasn´t talking about every gunowner, if it was his intent, well just ignore it, that would be stupidity speaking for itself

Of course I didn't mean it that way, if I did I would have said so. It's why I just said "rednecks tend not to care about laws". Ero just needs to build a strawman for sympathy at this point.

[Eroginous]

Of course I didn't mean it that way, if I did I would have said so. It's why I just said "rednecks tend not to care about laws". Ero just needs to build a strawman for sympathy at this point.

I don't want sympathy, but thanks for acknowledging the pointlessness of your post.

Now we can move on.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Of course I didn't mean it that way, if I did I would have said so. It's why I just said "rednecks tend not to care about laws". Ero just needs to build a strawman for sympathy at this point.

It's pretty funny how they constantly talk about "poor areas" and blacks and crime. Go anywhere in the rural south and a lot of the signs will be filled with bullet holes. They use the things for target practice. Every now and then they get replaced, only to shoot it up again. And these are the people complaining about their taxes being too high.

[Rukentuts]

It's pretty funny how they constantly talk about "poor areas" and blacks and crime. Go anywhere in the rural south and a lot of the signs will be filled with bullet holes. They use the things for target practice. Every now and then they get replaced, only to shoot it up again. And these are the people complaining about their taxes being too high.

It's that way on all the state trails. You'll see a stop sign with chunks missing because someone blasted it with a shotgun. And poor areas? Most farms seem in more disrepair than a ghetto. But keep this in mind, food stamps are welfare, but farm subsidies and federal crop insurance aren't.

[Ghostpanther]

No kidding.

Enjoy your homicide rate :P



All your peers have those problems as well, and yet have a quarter of your homicide rate.

Bull. Some our peers do have as much population as the US does illegal immigrants. No way does Australia and Canada combined have as many as illegal immigrants as the US does.

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It's not just a few. The US has a very serious problem, and it IS specifically the US.

Once again, bull. The US does not rank in the top ten countries of the world with the highest violent crime rates. So it is not just specifically a US problem. Would not however surprise me if the US has the highest traffic death rate. :P

Edit: Just checked. It ranks third in the world on total number of traffic death's last year. But there are several countries which have a higher rate per 100,000 pop. So over all we have done well with car safety.

[Tinykong]

It's that way on all the state trails. You'll see a stop sign with chunks missing because someone blasted it with a shotgun. And poor areas? Most farms seem in more disrepair than a ghetto. But keep this in mind, food stamps are welfare, but farm subsidies and federal crop insurance aren't.

The people who bitch about welfare while cashing in on SNAP benefits are the same people who complain about Obama being a commie and to get his socialist hands off their Medicare.

[proxikal]

No, the criminals will never lose access to assault riffles...no matter what. they will always have ways to get them. And personally i would love to defend myself against them...not die in a hole crying. NOW should ppl have intense background checks, mental stability checks Absolutely. But don't dumb our society down so the gang lords and mafias have more sheep to shave..

[Mayhem]

No, the criminals will never lose access to assault riffles...no matter what. they will always have ways to get them. And personally i would love to defend myself against them...not die in a hole crying. NOW should ppl have intense background checks, mental stability checks Absolutely. But don't dumb our society down so the gang lords and mafias have more sheep to shave..

thanks for the image in my head, rofl

could be a whole new brand of kelly´s chips, weapon shaped riffled chips