Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[semaphore]

Why have all these mass shootings taken place in the past 30 years, especially in the past 20 years.? What's the root problem? We've had guns long before then.

There was mass shootings before then too. That one study only tracked data for 30 years doesn't mean there wasn't data before that time.

[Schattenlied]

Just ban everything but bolt-action rifles and shotguns that cannot be concealed easily. You can still hunt, but if you woke up crazy one morning, it would be hard to kill a lot of people in a short time.

Yeah, not in a short amount of time - but lets say someone takes that bolt action rifle, makes a silencer (it's really REALLY easy) and starts shooting people from 600+ yards out... You know how many people he could kill before they even found out where he was?





Most of you probly dont remember, but back in the 70s Israel's schools got attacked quite a lot. They weighed the options and decided in the end that training their teachers well and arming them was the best option. Those attacks quickly slowed and all but stopped entirely.

Criminals and crazies attack people they know cant fight back, when law abiding citizens are armed and the bad guys know it, they leave.

[Deleted]

"In Europe we don't have any mass killing rampages!"

*Looks at WWI and WWII*

You're right Europe. You're so far ahead of us. Until we start a world war we can never be on par.

65 years ahead it seems.......

[Raidboss]

When disaster happens, the rational thing to do is to take preventive measures to prevent the same thing from happening later in the exact same year. This is nothing to do with political views, and everything to do with controlling gun violence. Complaining about people fuelling "political views" because they demand action, is refusing to address a major issue with tragic consequences because of political ideology.

You don't get to make an issue into a strictly political view that disregards reality, and then complain about political views when anyone tries to tackle the issue.

Then maybe the better solution would be to enforce security for schools and reinforce emergency procedures for educational institutions.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

And here we......go!



On a serious note I'll support it. That and for any simple gun...pass like 10 tests or what not so not just some schmuck can get one.

[Raidboss]

Yet someone preparing a mass murder can just order 3000 bullets online without tripping any red flags.

Large ammunition purchases also trigger red flags for the ATF and FBI.

[Kivimetsan]

I am not from US, by why wouldn't anyone support it? Like he said you don't use assault weapons to hunt deer or any other animals for that matter.

The 2nd Amendment IS NOT FOR HUNTING FUCKING ANIMALS!!!!
The 2nd amendment is a 2nd chance at resisting corruption within the central government, taking it down if need be.

Don't worry it won't pass and if it does there will be a 2nd civil war, 270 million people will not bow down to tyranny, especially not in the USA.

This isn't a gun issue, this is a social issue. America is decaying, the economy is falling apart, society is on the brink of collapse, you are bound to have crazies come out and kill people.
Banning guns will do nothing, the same day this happened, an old person in China stabbed 22 kids in a school.
Lets ban knives too right?

[Rend Blackhand]

Don't ban firearms, regulate them better. Stop letting every moron with ID buy them, mandatory training and proper storage should be a requirement. A good gun safe can be brought very cheaply, and make owners accountable too for letting them get stolen or "losing" them. How the fuck do you lose a gun anyway?

This is probably the only method of regulation that would work in a country such as the US. Make sure that owners pass a safety course and have correct means of storage. Irresponsibility should be punished.

[vastx]

Yeah, not in a short amount of time - but lets say someone takes that bolt action rifle, makes a silencer (it's really REALLY easy) and starts shooting people from 600+ yards out... You know how many people he could kill before they even found out where he was?





Most of you probly dont remember, but back in the 70s Israel's schools got attacked quite a lot. They weighed the options and decided in the end that training their teachers well and arming them was the best option. Those attacks quickly slowed and all but stopped entirely.

Criminals and crazies attack people they know cant fight back, when law abiding citizens are armed and the bad guys know it, they leave.

Too true..

[semaphore]

Then maybe the better solution would be to enforce security for schools and reinforce emergency procedures for educational institutions.

Or we can examine the source issue rather than the venue. Like really, I didn't make the Aurora reference clear enough for you?

Large ammunition purchases also trigger red flags for the ATF and FBI.

That worked so well in Aurora. Again, that reference wasn't clear?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The 2nd Amendment IS NOT FOR HUNTING FUCKING ANIMALS!!!!
The 2nd amendment is a 2nd chance at resisting corruption within the central government, taking it down if need be.

Don't worry it won't pass and if it does there will be a 2nd civil war, 270 million people will not bow down to tyranny, especially not in the USA.

This isn't a gun issue, this is a social issue. America is decaying, the economy is falling apart, society is on the brink of collapse, you are bound to have crazies come out and kill people.
Banning guns will do nothing, the same day this happened, an old person in China stabbed 22 kids in a school.
Lets ban knives too right?

Slow down cowboy. America isn't going anywhere any time soon.

[Frozenbeef]

If by "pretty similar" you mean completely different. Granted it is a pretty shitty list to begin with, but go look up the gun death statistics between Europe and America. Then consider the fact that Europe has a population of 739 million, while the European Union alone has 503 million.

The United States has 311 million.

I only mention that the decision to ban assault weapons should be considered properly rather than being a rush decision based on recent event and you people manage to turn into into a competition based on who has the most mass murderers? 0o

[Coombs]

The 2nd Amendment IS NOT FOR HUNTING FUCKING ANIMALS!!!!
The 2nd amendment is a 2nd chance at resisting corruption within the central government, taking it down if need be.

Don't worry it won't pass and if it does there will be a 2nd civil war, 270 million people will not bow down to tyranny, especially not in the USA.

This isn't a gun issue, this is a social issue. America is decaying, the economy is falling apart, society is on the brink of collapse, you are bound to have crazies come out and kill people.
Banning guns will do nothing, the same day this happened, an old person in China stabbed 22 kids in a school.
Lets ban knives too right?

I can just imagine 50 million pot bellied pigs, fighting the other 50 million in the rascal brigade. Only a handful of the citizens are even fit to fight, most don't know how to get food outside of a grocery store or a drive through. Civil war hits and this entire nation crumbles within a year.

[Beavis]

Allow me to be pedantic for a second:

Fact 1. There's no such thing as an assault weapon. It is an arbitrary designation with no actual meaning. While the popular media often calls weapons such as AR-15s and AK series rifles "assault weapons" the only commonality these weapons share is a centerfire rifle cartridge chambering, pistol grips, and a detachable magazine. The 1994 assault weapon ban would not have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy.

Fact 2. Historically, when weapons bans go into effect, existing weapons are grandfathered in. This means even if the intent of this legislation is to ban rifles with centerfire rifle cartridge chambering, pistol grips, and a detachable magazine they would only regulate the sale and assembly of new firearms. Millions of perfectly legal "assault weapons" would still be floating around.

Fact 3. In 2011, you were more than twice as likely to be beat go death by somebody's bare hands than killed with a rifle in the United States. That's right in 2011, 323 murders were committed with rifles while 728 were committed by unarmed individuals. The rifle murder rate in the US is .1 per 100,000. .1! Pistols, on the other hand, were used in 6220 murders, 19 times the number.

My point is that banning AR15s and AK series rifles is a political move that doesn't address the core issue: our ability to detect and care for the mentally ill is woefully in adequate. If we want to put an end to this stuff, we need to look at how we can extend services to at risk individuals before they become dangerous.

Full disclosure: I own no guns, live in California, and have never voted anything but Democrat, so don't come at me with any of that rightwing redneck Republican name calling nonsense.

[vastx]

I can just imagine 50 million pot bellied pigs, fighting the other 50 million in the rascal brigade. Only a handful of the citizens are even fit to fight, most don't know how to get food outside of a grocery store or a drive through. Civil war hits and this entire nation crumbles within a year.

And that's why leftists in this country should think twice about their end goals.

[semaphore]

I only mention that the decision to ban assault weapons should be considered properly rather than being a rush decision based on recent event and you people manage to turn into into a competition based on who has the most mass murderers? 0o

Nice innocent act. Don't point fingers when you're the one who claimed America doesn't have a gun violence problem because:

I could say that about any country

[Adam Jensen]

The 2nd Amendment IS NOT FOR HUNTING FUCKING ANIMALS!!!!
The 2nd amendment is a 2nd chance at resisting corruption within the central government, taking it down if need be.

Don't worry it won't pass and if it does there will be a 2nd civil war, 270 million people will not bow down to tyranny, especially not in the USA.

This isn't a gun issue, this is a social issue. America is decaying, the economy is falling apart, society is on the brink of collapse, you are bound to have crazies come out and kill people.
Banning guns will do nothing, the same day this happened, an old person in China stabbed 22 kids in a school.
Lets ban knives too right?

Two terrible incidents, same day.

One with a gun, one with a knife. The one with the gun left 28 people dead. The one with the knife left 20+ people wounded.

See the difference?

[Flappy]

When disaster happens, the rational thing to do is to take preventive measures to prevent the same thing from happening later in the exact same year. This is nothing to do with political views, and everything to do with controlling gun violence. Complaining about people fuelling "political views" because they demand action, is refusing to address a major issue with tragic consequences because of political ideology.

You don't get to make an issue into a strictly political view that disregards reality, and then complain about political views when anyone tries to tackle the issue.

Please explain how introducing this legislature is rational. Remember, when the word "rational" is used, that means it's possible and justified.

[Raidboss]

Or we can examine the source issue rather than the venue. Like really, I didn't make the Aurora reference clear enough for you?


That worked so well in Aurora. Again, that reference wasn't clear?

Exactly better security...had the emergency door been alarmed and not allowed to be left open he wouldn't have been able to get back in.

Yea so the mechanisms you mentioned before don't work well.

[semaphore]

Please explain how introducing this legislature is rational. Remember, when the word "rational" is used, that means it's possible and justified.

What legislature?

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Yea so the mechanisms you mentioned before don't work well.

Yeah no. You're the one who claimed there's a mechanism for tracking ammo purchases.

What I mentioned was for fertilisers. What fertiliser bomb was used in Aurora?