Not sure what that is suppose to prove but it doesn't prove anything.
You don't have any either. Got it. (what is proff?)
Calling people fanboys makes you a hater.
Someone call the police. A business is selling things to make money. The world is going to end because we have a company trying to make money. You know like they are suppose too.
OK. Everyone stop with the name-calling. Say whatever you need to say without putting someone in an artificial box based on words. - ML
"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
I think Bashiok is worst
Looks like he was siting there and calling people conspiracy theorist for no reason
I said they do not replay to the blizzard feedback emails still yet to be disproven on it
Call the loyal blizzard asskissers fanboys because that is what they are. A hater is A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hater
I could careless about blizzard or the fanboys success.
No one said that bullshit. The other poster disagreed tried saying blizzard is not greedy I was disproving that. Last time I checked Blizzard is a for profit public traded business.
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Yes?
4 differently colored versions of this mount was datamined some time back. Several people immediately claimed that:
1. These were all going to be sold in the store.
2. Blizzard is a GREEDY publisher, trying to make people buy the same product 4 times!
Notice how the second claim is dependent on the first being correct? - Which they had no way of knowing? It wasn't even established that ANY of them were going to be sold in the store. Now that only one has been added to the store, the second claim is null and void.
They formulated a conspiracy theory out of thin air (or rather, a datamined goat).
No proof that the customer service emails do NOT direct to NULL?So no proff? got it
That is not a relevant point. A relevant point would be for you to prove that it does. It's your claim that it does (or might).
Asking someone to prove a negative is a silly stance.
You can't prove that your parents aren't secret CIA agents. And no one should ask that you do. They instead should prove that they are.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You're still left with nothing but a conspiracy theory.
But that isn't why I would call someone a conspiracy theorist.Again calling people conspiracy theorist for disagreeing with blizzard is fanboying.
Nah.Your post history disagrees with you.
That's called running a business.Proff of these facts? Cause last I checked RMAH, Mico tranactions, Blizzard cash shop.
And if all businesses are "greedy", then you've completely watered that term into a meaningless waste of letters.
Take a look at the currently popular Mobile Trading Card Games, like Rage of Bahamut, or other outright pay2win games. We can talk about greed there.
I absolutely see nothing special about Blizzard justifying the term "greed", without leveling the same term at a slew of other companies as well, rendering the term meaningless in my book. What then, would you call a complete pay2win game?!
Yes, I particularly liked that one as well, as it completely destroyed your initial claim about ALL critical posts getting shut down.I like how one of the threads where about why was my thread locked. You your self talked about how moderation is not allowed to be talked about but like I said before their moderation is half assed.
Clearly this is just not true. And yes, that means that moderation is as fallible on the Blizzard Forums as pretty much anywhere else humans are doing the moderation.
They even take this into account in the forum rules, stating that they reserve the right to handle each case on an individual basis.
I see. Never even realized this. I just saw the higher page numbers and made a bad assumption. My mistake.Wrong thread do cap at 26 pages modes can raise the post cap
Back to your initial point about threads getting shut down, and someone mentioning the CRZ debate as an example: They did not get shut down because the thread reached 26 pages. They got shut down because they posted a new thread while the original was still open - AND they didn't even follow the simple rules in your linked post, for creating a follow up thread!
It's time to give up the claims that Blizzard bans any post critical of them, and bans for no reason.
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When it comes down to it I can only go off my personal experience and what I see and from my experience this is just not true, they are a business and I'm sure they are like to keep things slanted in their favor but it would be nice if they were a little less obvious about it. (and to be honest I've only seen it in the last couple of years, just seems the forums have gone downhill a lot faster recently and it may have a lot to do with under staffing, which also leads to less Oversight).
I said your parents are secret CIA Agents, still yet to be disproven on it.
See, my point is, if you can just say anything, and then expect others to disprove you, it's going to be a crazy world of allegations about anything.
That's why it's a common expectation that the person making the claim has to back it up. You can't just shift the burden of evidence like that.
And all "for profit public traded businesses" are "greedy"? Is that your definition of the term?No one said that bullshit. The other poster disagreed tried saying blizzard is not greedy I was disproving that. Last time I checked Blizzard is a for profit public traded business.
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If we're going by personal experience, it's the forum community that has gone downhill in the last couple of years. That may then have prompted harsher attitudes from the CM's, but I haven't really noticed that.
I got a one week ban for calling Jay Wilson and Greg Street scumbags.
I got a thirty days ban for calling casuals scrubs.
I don't think i have gotten a warning email yet. How likely is the chance that i will get permanently banned next time? Is there a way to check?
I've watched several posters break the TOS more than once and get away with it (at the most had the reported posts (plural) deleted and that was it so they were seen by the mods) but no where near the same punishments others have had just because they were taking blizzard side on a argument (not just CRZ but several other issues too in the last year) right now one has a couple dozen posts calling people idiots and belittling others, so from this I can gather this is the type of posters the blizzards mods must want. And that IS the mods fault. *(if it was a volunteer moderated board I could see a LOT more leeway but not from paid moderators.)
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Lol, did see someone pointed this out on the general discussion forums (see 4:40 on)
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...13/chris-kluwe
"cesspools of humanity"
again I blame the mods more than the players IMO they tend to scare of most of the normal posters away that just want to discuses things, and let anyone that has a more pro blizzard opinion bash others to their hearts content. (it's one thing to keeping it civil but you have to try and moderate both sides of the argument evenly or end up with a mess.)
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They are a for profit company
There is no conspiracy theory
Person experience from my self and others
Asking someone to prove their augment is not
Stop with the conspiracy theory bullshit
Seems to be
I disagree
Micro transactions on a sub based game. Seems greedy to me
Apples to oranges
Micro transactions on a sub based game.
hypocrite much?
Proff? From others post and personal experience they don't
Many of them got deleted while the other previous one was at post cap
You might not like the truth but that does not mean people are going to give up on it.
Half ass moderation like I said
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I seen that my self. The old forums were a lot better
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Already answered that
[QUOTE=LazyJones;19770874And all "for profit public traded businesses" are "greedy"? Is that your definition of the term?[/QUOTE]Micro transactions on a sub based game. Seems greedy to me
the forum community is the way it is because blizzard lets it be that way
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No way to check. if you got a 30 day ban next one will be pema
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Watch out now. He seems to think he knows how blizzard works
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its always been like that.
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They are very random with the bans. who knows how long they will ban you for
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Agreed. Any pro blizzard opinion can bash others and not be banned.
Which is not the same as "greedy".
Which falls well into the expected results from an email stating that you shouldn't expect an answer.Person experience from my self and others
So prove your argument.Asking someone to prove their augment is not
I didn't make an argument, I called you on yours.
I have no problem with what it "seems" like to you.Micro transactions on a sub based game. Seems greedy to me
It's called a spectrum.Apples to oranges
And Blizzard is far from the troublesome end.
Rare, often for charity, and ONLY vanity items. I have no problem with this in ANY game. But then, I don't even have a problem with pay2win games.Micro transactions on a sub based game.
I obviously don't see that, so you would have to do better than ask, and actually forumulate how you see it as such.hypocrite much?
They don't handle posts on an individual basis in your opinion? So you're saying here, that all posts are handled the same way? Or did you misunderstand?Proff? From others post and personal experience they don't
It's too easy to just make that claim.Many of them got deleted while the other previous one was at post cap
Here's what I saw: Countless new threads from people who simply wanted their own post on the matter, posting while the thread was active, and NOT following the simple rules for creating a follow-up thread.
You've already given up on it. You're not defending it with actual arguments. You're just being stubborn. And it was a stupid claim to begin with. An utter generalization.You might not like the truth but that does not mean people are going to give up on it.
Who does it better?Half ass moderation like I said
As were the people posting.I seen that my self. The old forums were a lot better
Hardly a coincidence.
I agree. They are far too lenient.the forum community is the way it is because blizzard lets it be that way
Like I said early on: I would swing the ban hammer a lot more.
I assume they work how they say they work, and see very little to contradict that.Watch out now. He seems to think he knows how blizzard works
They do indeed provide different strikes for different transgressions against the same rule. As they said they would.
Based on the rules, and human mods, I would expect a certain amount of seemingly randomness amidst mostly logical reasons.They are very random with the bans. who knows how long they will ban you for
And that is indeed what I see.
"Very" random? Not so much. Just what you'd expect. Same as this site, and most others.
And as I have shown, the same can be true for a Blizzard critical opinion. Which you claimed was impossible.Agreed. Any pro blizzard opinion can bash others and not be banned.
Your initial assumption was flawed. It was biased. And I find your every post to continue said bias.
You don't see me preaching that Blizzard is perfect. I try a more balanced approach, and I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. Blizzard's human, they make stupid mistakes (Cata - ring a bell? And D3 - hellooo?), their CSR's are human, they make mistakes, and that's totally expected. And yes, they try to find ways to make money, but they've been very open and steadfast about not going overboard in game-altering microtransactions. Sure, we get a stupid pony from time to time, but it's completely without impact on your raiding proficiency, your chance of getting a World First!-achievement, or your PvP rankings.
Frankly, your arguments have been way off, and that is the only reason I've been arguing against you. It's not to paint a perfect picture of Blizzard, it's to point out the flaws in your propaganda piece. We could easily find a common ground and agree to criticise Blizzard on several points, but not as long as you attack them on points that they don't deserve to be attacked on, that you base solely on anecdotal evidence and assumptions.
There are a lot more threads locked and deleted with criticism
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They are pretty greedy tho.
When you appeal something they should answer
As said before from personal experience and other having the same personal experience. You made a wild claim and have not been able to prove anything or disprove my argument. but this is never going to go anywhere. So keep replaying and I will do the same.
What you think =/= what everyone else thinks
As said before Apples to oranges
charity vanity item give them tax breaks, but Mounts, pets, Faction changes, name changes, transfers, guild transfers, guild name changes etc. are all mico transactions.
Figure it out. you seem to know it all
I read your post there.
Does not make it less true.
Option
No
Someone else is being a stubborn fanboy refusing to listen to any logic.
Option again. I personalty find the blind fanboing you have been doing pretty annoying
MMO champ has better moderation
Well they did lift all bans but its mostly the same people.
Well they should also enforce the rules equally. Not let pro blizzard people break the rules and that's ok.
it is a matter of option really.
Human error really is not a excuse for it. MMO champ has human mods and I have not seen any issues here.
or is MoanaLisa really a Draenei :O
Where?
Option again
Faction changes and server transfers do help chance of getting a World First!-achievement, or your PvP rankings. Look how many top guilds went horde look how many pvpers fc human. Blizzard is not human but a company.
Sure seemed that way
"Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument. " Options do not equal Propaganda
Option again
They are pretty on who they decide broke the rules.
As for the multi-quotes I will try to keep it shorter just for you <3
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Agreed. Intend of deleting the threads for people trolling it. they should ban the people trolling. Also they should enforce their rules across the board