The Game Was Better When.....

[Wildtree]

WoW was better when people actually knew they need to work for something, they didnt demad 5 mans to shower them with epics to be ready for latest raids, unlike now all the spoiled brats think.

True that.. and on the same token they, as community also didn't expect others to be geared to their teeth to join together as a party.
LFM Firelands run, ilevel 460+ only...
Not unusual to see today.
Even achievement runs became a document of epeen and entitlement. That wasn't the rule just a few years back.

[Arbs]

How to win an argument:

Claim Nostalgia

Surf Porn


Seriously cut that rubbish out, I like the Lion king, you gonna tell me its actually shit and im just a nostalgia freak? Find a better argument please.

I love the Lion King

[DeathKnight Guy]

And who are you to tell people what they should play? Go play your GW2 (which is bad btw) if you like, and let people who want to play WoW play WoW. As long as everyone has its own content within the game, it's fine.

BECAUSE wow STARTED AND STAYED FOR 2 FULL GAMES as a time consuming but rewarding to that sort of game. I don't want a game which rewards me with freebies for logging in. But you guys came along and asked for change. Read my last post about the real life scenario.

[foxHeart]

Not everyone expects to get BiS. Bad joke, there.

[Arbs]

What was WoW' population during Vanilla? 1, maybe 2 million?

Vanilla ended off with 8 Million, TBC added 2 Million, Wrath had 2 Million. Cata lost 3 Million, MoP added 1.3 Million so far.

[DieFichte]

BECAUSE wow STARTED AND STAYED FOR 2 FULL GAMES as a time consuming but rewarding to that sort of game. I don't want a game which rewards me with freebies for logging in. But you guys came along and asked for change. Read my last post about the real life scenario.

The game does reward you with free stuff for login in, but that stuff isn't as high end as the stuff you could earn for do a "little" more, the same as in vanilla, and tbc, and so on and on.

[DeathKnight Guy]

You know what you guys all sound like to me?:" LULZ YOU EXPECT ME TO WORK TO GAIN REWARDS, WHAT KIND OF MECHANICZ IS THAT, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WORK I WANT TO BE SHOWRED IN EPIX, WHO ARE YOU TO SAY I DON'T DESERVES EPIX BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO WORK, DERP."

[Tomana]

BECAUSE wow STARTED AND STAYED FOR 2 FULL GAMES as a time consuming but rewarding to that sort of game.

Yes, and then came SWP and the developers realized (probably with a slight kick in the booty from the Controlling department as well) that developing content for 1% of the population is no longer defensible, because sinking millions in raids no one will ever see for a long time is stupid. Can you grasp that idea or is it too hard for you?

I don't want a game which rewards me with freebies for logging in. But you guys came along and asked for change.

What freebies? I didn't realize LK HM just gave you freebies. Nor Yogg-0 gave you head (pun intended) so easily. Or Ragnaros HM.
In fact, raid content is harder mechanic wise now than in BC and especially in vanilla. So please put on your glasses.

Read my last post about the real life scenario.

if it's written in ALL CAPS just like you did here, thanks but I'll pass.

[DeathKnight Guy]

The game does reward you with free stuff for login in, but that stuff isn't as high end as the stuff you could earn for do a "little" more, the same as in vanilla, and tbc, and so on and on.

NO, in vanilla and TBC the only reward we got for logging in was the chance to work for rewards. THAT IT. Now is not the same as before so don't say that.

[DieFichte]

You know what you guys all sound like to me?:" LULZ YOU EXPECT ME TO WORK TO GAIN REWARDS, WHAT KIND OF MECHANICZ IS THAT, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO WORK I WANT TO BE SHOWRED IN EPIX, WHO ARE YOU TO SAY I DON'T DESERVES EPIX BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO WORK, DERP."

You should either check your reading or your understanding, becuase, most people don't sound like that.

NO, in vanilla and TBC the only reward we got for logging in was the chance to work for rewards. THAT IT. Now is not the same as before so don't say that.

What work I had to do to run ZG or MC to get epics? Depending on LFR it's more work to run that than the first raids in classic, you didn't even have to be a good player, hell you could afk out sometimes too

As for TBC, yo, facerollin Karazhan, hard content! And you only got blues for it, sheesh

[dragon171]

The Game Was Better When..... Threads like this Never Existed!

[Phasma]

The game was better when there wasn't so many tedious tasks in it. Honestly, who finds that fun? Hey guys let's complete 1 billion quests that are exactly identical with different wording. Sounds legit. They need new quest and world designers. Just awful.

[DeathKnight Guy]

I don't blame the community, I blame Blizzard.
I can give a REAL LIFE example of exactly what is going on. You have a group of politicians who decided to start a new country, it starts of slow, everyone is working hard and everyone is co-operating. The country grows in power, wealth and skills. As the country grows in power, the quality of life improves, more and more people immigrate to the country, more children, more adults more EVERYTHING. This country is growing fast and now is handing out EVERYTHING for free, health care, university, school etc...

Other countries and people recognise this great, successful place. People from other countries now move in to this new country (lets name it Azeroth) and decide they want to apply for a citizenship+passport. So far so great! These new educated people bring new cultures, friends, wealth and skills to Azeroth. The government starts to lay back, take it easy, not put in their 100%. But what a bad time, more more and people are entering, their number grow EXPONENTIALLY, and what the leaders do not realise, is that THESE people are bringing their own baggage, their issues and everything. And this impacts the community as a whole, instead of teaching these people how to deal with their issues, what to do, what not to do. They decide they want to do EVERYTHING for them, pay their bills, provide them with 5 star homes etc.. etc... The community is happy, these people are getting their help!

Year after year the QoL improves, but to an extent where everything is shoved up peoples arses that it really isn't an option, you have the flu? HERE ARE FREE GIFTS+MONEYZ+EVERYTHING. These already lazy people get lazier and everything just builds from there.

This is exactly what is happening. And because of this same scenario, people begin to rely less on themselves, and more on their leaders.

Here you go, read and please tell me this is not happening.

[Deleted]

Some people on this thread still don't grasp the fact that the world changed, people grown up and consumer habits evolved.

Sure, there were less car accidents when the Ford T was king...

[Deleted]

Seriously, the game as it is today is at it's best. The currently solution pleases the needs to everyone without fully alienating anyone.

We have the Cutting edge: feat of strenghts from beating hardmode content at it's current tier. We have item upgrades that better make for natural nerfs rather than the slapped on reduced health and damage % debuffs in the past. We have looking for raid for the people who doesnt have the time or dont put an effort in their characters to raid properly as well. There is no reason taking that away from the bad players. LFR gear is far from hot anyways and they even released lfr the second week of an instance which means the majority of halfdecent guilds would have cleared the normals by that time anyway.

The only improvement I'd like to see is all titles getting removed from achievments after an expansion (or even on a tier/tier basis) is done. The achievements with it's points could be there for it's taking but the titles shoudn't be obtainable anymore. A separation of 10- and 25man achievments since they never will be fully equal (not saying one is easier or harder - they're just different) would be nice as well.

[DeathKnight Guy]

You should either check your reading or your understanding, becuase, most people don't sound like that.

Really!? They don't!? Please go read the blizzard forums from time to time. You actually get one of the ignoramuses who decide to come out and speak and really sound EXACTLY like that.

[Tomana]

Here you go, read and please tell me this is not happening.

For someone whose location is listed as UAE, it's actually quite ironic, because that's exactly what oil economy is about.

[DeathKnight Guy]

For someone whose location is listed as UAE, it's actually quite ironic, because that's exactly what oil economy is about.

I live there because that is where I study. I am a Canadian citizen so don't blow your quick to judge "facts" on me.

[Caribald]

When buff were groupwise, and raids had ONE size. I can get behind wanting more difficulties, but having more than one size inevitably limits the way encounters can be designed. Groupwise buffs meant you could improve your raid in other ways than just bringing x class or buffs, and it sometimes affected your playstyle (enhancement shamans totem twisting (windfury / whatever agi totem was called)).

I also think attunements should come back. Some people think they are horrible and just prevents you from easily swapping to an alt, but really, the same thing is true with the current model. Now the "attunement" is to get enough gear to queue up for dungeons, then heroics and then LFR. Before, attunements were actual content with a storyline, and I think that made a lot more sense, and made the raids more interesting from a story perspective.

If having to do a attunement questline on more than one character feels redundant and/or as a useless barrier to content (again, I would argue the "barrier" is content in itself), it could be made so once you attune one character, your entire account is attuned as well (just like how accountwide achievements, pets and mounts work). Perhaps the Onyxia attunement questline was too much, I can understand that, but it doesn't mean that ALL attunements are bad. I started playing in TBC so I didn't go through that when it was current content, but I did every TBC attunement from Karazhan to Black Temple, and I thought it was awesome.

[DieFichte]

Really!? They don't!? Please go read the blizzard forums from time to time. You actually get one of the ignoramuses who decide to come out and speak and really sound EXACTLY like that.

Your first words in my quote were:

You know what you guys all sound like to me?

You know what? I don't sound like that, most others don't here, so "ALL" we sound like that? No, why should I go read the wow forums again?