Welfare and Octomom

[endersblade]

What is with people? She shouldn't be eligible for welfare. The idea of rewarding people for abusing their reproductive capibility is mind blowing. Personally? This woman should be steralized and the kids she can't provide for taken away and put into state care.

She cannot possibly raise 14 kids, it's impossible for one person to do and she doesn't have money to pay for additional care takers.

Totally how I feel about it as well. Couldn't have said it any better...at least not without getting infracted lol.

[Priestiality]

Replies like this one blow my mind instantly. Let's imagine for a second that you are taken to the state care when your mother wants to raise you and isnt allowed to do so. Now think again and read what you've just wrote here.

If she wants to raise them she should have the means to do so. If you can't afford a kid, keep your fucking clothes on. It's called "personal accountability". Something sorely lacking in the U.S. of late.

[Jaxsz]

Ripping kids away from their home and sticking them into care where they will likely be rejected time and time again will cause great emotional harm to the children. It is better for the children to stay where they are. She knows she made a mistake and she knows she wasn't mentally stable at the time when she got this treatment. It was up to her doctor to not go through with it and pick up on her issues BUT HE DID NOT and went through with it and behaved in an unethical way, which led to his revocation of his license.

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You know where some of these kids end up? In foster homes with foster parents who adopt children just so they can have bigger checks.

That sounds a lot like someone that had 14 kids here.

[Rukentuts]

You know, once you take immigrants out of the equation America's birth rate is actually below replacement levels. And the most fertile segment of the community is teen mothers. So in a way, you should be thanking the octomom. Without women like her you'd have an ageing population, with all the attendant economic consequences of that. And you'd probably all be speaking Spanish by now :P

I'd rather have a declining population than one rife with stupidity and lacking self-sufficiency.

[Flatspriest]

What I find most disturbing is that she was on welfare, yet had the money to pay for invitro firtilization which runs 10's of thousands of dollars.

[Locruid]

So let's get this straight.

Her bills are in excess of 100k a year

You don't think she should get welfare,

which means you don't think her children need to eat, or need to go to the doctors, or need to go to the dentist.

A regular job isn't going to cut it to pay for her bills lol. Not at this point.

If she's on welfare then John Q Public has $100k/yr in bills.

Goddamn right I have ZERO sympathy. She already had 6 kids WHILE ON WELFARE and CHOSE to have at LEAST one more.

Meanwhile I have to fight tooth and nail to provide a home and not much else for my family? Bullshit


3 years ago my oldest son (14) got a BB gun for his B-day. I instructed him on the use of it and so forth. One day he aimed it at his brother unloaded. I promptly punished him for it and took away the gun for a few weeks. before he got it back he was again trained. Anyways, his younger brother mentioned something about it at school and next goddamn thing I know I got Child Protective Services breathing down my neck. Meanwhile sh'es struggling to pay the bills, and at one time the kids were shitting in the yard due to no toilet. SO WHY THE HELL DOES SHE STILL HAVE CUSTODY?

At least the Duggards pay their own way so i could care less what they do (WONDERFUL family btw)

[Nadev]

What? No "14 Kids and Counting" deal for her?

[lanerios]

Themius.. I know you love to keep that family together. But right now even you need to realise that it will destroy those children. Why? 1 simple reason:

1 person can not, not ever, give enough attention to raise that amount of kids the way they need to be raised. Yes the doctor is wrong, we get it (stop saying that please), but that woman also made a lot, and I mean a lot of mistakes. It's time for child services to step in, take the kids away and put them in a place where they can get the attention and love that they need.

@Locruid, thanks for wording exactly what I think the issue is with welfare at the moment.

[Themius]

Themius.. I know you love to keep that family together. But right now even you need to realise that it will destroy those children. Why? 1 simple reason:

1 person can not, not ever, give enough attention to raise that amount of kids the way they need to be raised. Yes the doctor is wrong, we get it (stop saying that please), but that woman also made a lot, and I mean a lot of mistakes. It's time for child services to step in, take the kids away and put them in a place where they can get the attention and love that they need.

@Locruid, thanks for wording exactly what I think the issue is with welfare at the moment.

I wouldn't keep saying the doctor is wrong, if people didn't keep trying to absolve him of his wrong doing lol.

[Priestiality]

I wouldn't keep saying the doctor is wrong, if people didn't keep trying to absolve him of his wrong doing lol.

No one is trying to absolve him of wrong doing. However, she is JUST AS WRONG IF NOT MORE SO for deciding to seek unnecessary fertility treatments and pop out 8 more kids when she already couldn't afford the 6 she had. One idiot doctor does NOT absolve her of any responsibility in her personal life.

[Themius]

No one is trying to absolve him of wrong doing. However, she is JUST AS WRONG IF NOT MORE SO for deciding to seek unnecessary fertility treatments and pop out 8 more kids when she already couldn't afford the 6 she had. One idiot doctor does NOT absolve her of any responsibility in her personal life.

Never said it did. Idk how many times I've said now that the woman needed mental help

[Theosis]

This makes me sick. Child protective services should have been called years ago.

[Priestiality]

Never said it did. Idk how many times I've said now that the woman needed mental help

90% of your responses in this thread consist of "but the doctor". The doctor messed up and was punished as such. However, octomom wasn't punished at all, and is, in fact, benefiting from being a useless social parasite and horrible parent. How do I know she's a horrible parent? Well besides the whole letting the power/water get shut off, and blowing through all the money she got during her brief fame instead of saving it, if you watch her pornographic film (which she was quite well paid for) you can hear one (or more) of the kids calling out "MOM!" while she's jilling off for the camera, meaning that if they weren't directly present, they were still close enough for the microphones to pick it up.

[Raiju]

Never said it did. Idk how many times I've said now that the woman needed mental help

Then how can you justify with the severity of her condition and the mathematical impossibility of her giving the needed attention to 14 children that they'd be better off with her? This is page 1 stuff that you never answered at any point because you just said "FOSTER HOMES ARE BAD", and never even answered that they are guaranteed a lacking upbringing right now.

[Themius]

Then how can you justify with the severity of her condition and the mathematical impossibility of her giving the needed attention to 14 children that they'd be better off with her? This is page 1 stuff that you never answered at any point because you just said "FOSTER HOMES ARE BAD", and never even answered that they are guaranteed a lacking upbringing right now.

I think it would be better if her children were adopted by her own family versus being thrown into a system.

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90% of your responses in this thread consist of "but the doctor". The doctor messed up and was punished as such. However, octomom wasn't punished at all, and is, in fact, benefiting from being a useless social parasite and horrible parent. How do I know she's a horrible parent? Well besides the whole letting the power/water get shut off, and blowing through all the money she got during her brief fame instead of saving it, if you watch her pornographic film (which she was quite well paid for) you can hear one (or more) of the kids calling out "MOM!" while she's jilling off for the camera, meaning that if they weren't directly present, they were still close enough for the microphones to pick it up.

I am the only person mentioning the doctor and his wrong doings, which people just don't think is a big deal at all.

[Priestiality]

I think it would be better if her children were adopted by her own family versus being thrown into a system.

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I am the only person mentioning the doctor and his wrong doings, which people just don't think is a big deal at all.

It's not a big deal. He was punished. He isn't receiving an insane amount of tax-payer money for being irresponsible.

EDIT: In fact, not only was he punished, he's still being punished, due to no longer being able to work in a field in which he has degrees and experience. So where octomom is GAINING money for being irresponsible, the doctor lost and will continue to lose money for the rest of his life.

[Themius]

It's not a big deal. He was punished. He isn't receiving an insane amount of tax-payer money for being irresponsible.

Shes' not receiving an "insane" amount.

[Rukentuts]

Shes' not receiving an "insane" amount.

$2000 a month in just food stamps, courtesy of California taxpayers.

Meanwhile she can afford $500 hairstyle+cuts, but cannot afford $150 bills for running water for her kids?

[Austilias]

I'm surprised this is even up for debate. Realistically i'd be thoroughly surprised if anyone could love and care for that amount of children equally, not least in having conceived that many without having been adequately secure in their finances before hand, which 'octomom' clearly was not.

Take the children away and give them to loving, responsible adoptive families where they can grow up with a good amount of care and normality; anything else simply reinforces the stereotype that all a woman need to to go places in life is spread her legs, do the dirty deed and have the government take care of the rest.

[Themius]

$2000 a month in just food stamps, courtesy of California taxpayers.

Meanwhile she can afford $500 hairstyle+cuts, but cannot afford $150 bills for running water for her kids?

2000 a month in food stamps is likely not enough lol, not for 14 kids anyway.