I don't want him back, dump him somewhere else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Van_Themsche ?
Crime exists, even in Antwerp apparently.
You know if people thought like that throughout history places like America wouldn't even exist? If you lived in the 1700's you would probably say "Trying to live in a dreamworld where people live free and aren't under the reign of king is insane".
You can't achieve a world of peace if everyone is worried about war so much that they add to it. World peace might not be a reality right now but don't rule things out for the future.
I think 'going to war' is quite the opposite of what I'm talking about. If the American people actually had control over our own government, we wouldn't be at war right now - the world would probably be a lot more peaceful.
Also, while 'world peace' might exist in some mythical future utopia, giving up all our guns today for a perfect hopeful tomorrow is insane. We aren't living in that world, it's crazy to pretend we are.
Good LOL, that would have been weird.
I only watched the Alex Jones segment because the yelling and monkeying about caught my attention, I switched to a different channel afterwards.
Anyhow since I now posted on the subject, don't shoot me please, but I'll share my opinion about this stuff, even if I'm not American. I think it's impossible and unreasonable at this point for you guys over there to ban weapons. It's impossible simply because of the sheer amount of them in people's hands and american gun culture. Imo some other way has to be found to prevent tragedies like the one at the school. Perhaps addressing mental health and making people more responsible with their guns.
In my home country we can own any types of weapons (not heavy ones ofc), even fully automatic ones if we want to, however we have never ever had a mass shooting so far. Admittedly I come from a tiny country in the middle east, so there aren't that many people to begin with. However if I'd steal my dad's weapon and commited a crime with it, my dad would be liable to go to jail as well for being irresponsible with it and would also have his license withdrawn. I'm not sure that is a crime over there, perhaps it would entice people to keep them in a more secure way.
Just my 2 cents, please don't shoot me, I only shared my opinion, and I don't really have any sort of personal interest in the US gun debate.
Indeed it does, but no one from Antwerp felt the need to carry concealed arms all of a sudden, because we know this is an isolated case and we are not so easily scared.
Why didn't you link this case? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendermonde_nursery_attack ? The attacker used a knife (because he couldn't get hold of a firearms) and killed 'only' 3 people and wounded 12, if firearms where more available here that would have been 12 death and 3 wounded.
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Well, in regards to stricter gun-control, I mean that, honestly, there are some really shady practices surrounding gun-sales. A gun-owner being able to pretend to have a "gun show" and sell a gun without any sort of background-check; stuff like that happens all the time. I think the common law-abiding citizen should have the right to arm themselves, but if you have a criminal past -- and the gun vendor being forced to run a proper background-check before the sale -- perhaps you forfeit that right, assuming it's a felony.
As far as concealable weapons, I just think those don't serve a purpose of "defending against your government". The only purpose they really serve is that they're handy, and you can hide them -- neither are traits I think should be promoted. I believe guns are a means of standing against your government, and even if you shot/hunt for sport, a handgun has absolutely zero application beyond convenience. Even law-enforcement, I would like seeing their handguns phased-out, and slowly adopt more traditional, perhaps even single-action rifles. That might be going a bit far, though, but just my personal thoughts on that.
The problem is when you fear something bad happening so much that you need to have guns (or even nuclear weapons on a larger scale) you just invite it to happen. Killing only brings more killing. At what point do people stop and say "ok lets put down the weapons and forget about them"?
Now I understand that the world isn't a safe or great place right now, No one can really argue that. But if we want to make this world a better place we have to do everything we can to make that change.
If you convert the stats shown there as rough percentages in relation to their respective populations (I believe it was 11000 out of 311,591,917 in the US and 35 out of 62,641,000 in the UK) you get 0.004% of the US population and 0.00006% of the UK population. Take from that what you will.
Or while we're just making things up, if he had a gun he would have only harmed 3 babies before help came instead of 15, before he rode away on his bike.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Ooa98FHuaU0
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Li%C3%A8ge_attack
This guy wounded 100+ and killed 3 people on a public place, I think people where alerted very fast, didn't stop him from making more casualties tough.
And still people here don't want guns to be more available, I guess our police force is more reliable/trustworthy. (Even tough there are some real douches that join the force).
Good point.
Anyway, why should I care about American guncontrol? Make them free for all I care (Because why should rich people be able to have more guns then poor people? Equality needs to be ensured, thats also in the constitution.)
As long as guncontrol remains very strict over here, it shouldn't concern me. Well apart for the impressive forum discussions it causes.
Have a nice day
Also, Piers can come to Belgium if he wants, should be great fun, another public figure for us to mock! xD
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