The Bill of Rights is not Subject to Amendment. Ever

[thomas jefferson]

Before commenting on the issue please have some understanding of what the Bill of Rights actually is. This is not debatable. Most of you are incredibly uninformed on the subject. You have no business discussing the 2nd Amendment and probably should not even be voting either.

[obdigore]

Uhm... actually it is subject to amendment, just like every other amendment.

[thomas jefferson]

PS- there should be a requirement in school to study and pass a test on the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Should be its own course that every student must take.

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Uhm... actually it is subject to amendment, just like every other amendment.

No it is not. The Bill of Rights is not subject to amendment. Please go to jail and do no pass go or collect 200

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Ladies and Gentlemen. This is the Bill of Rights. If you think any of it should change, do the rest of us a favor, and leave the country for good.

Amendments
Further information: List of amendments to the United States Constitution

First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[54]

Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Lore Lord]

PS- there should be a requirement in school to study and pass a test on the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Should be its own course that every student must take.

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No it is not. The Bill of Rights is not subject to amendment. Please go to jail and do no pass go or collect 200

Umm, yes it is, the entire constitution is, that's what amendments are. The bill of rights is amendments just like any other, they just happen to be the first 10. Amendments can be amended, otherwise there wouldn't be an amendment making alcohol illegal and another 2 amendments later making it legal again.

[TranquilDream]

No it is not. The Bill of Rights is not subject to amendment. Please go to jail and do no pass go or collect 200

Actually, the Bill of Rights are simply the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution. What makes you think they are not subject to amendment?

Please provide specific passages in the Constitution for reference.

[Screwtape]

I gather this is a response to the ' "unconstitutional" is just a mantra for the paranoid' thread. I didn't read that one either. I really suggest that you don't wallow in political nonsense with your peers. Try reading political science or political philosophy books.

http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Ameri.../dp/0205793193 This is a pretty good one.

[thomas jefferson]

Umm, yes it is, the entire constitution is, that's what amendments are. The bill of rights is amendments just like any other, they just happen to be the first 10. Amendments can be amended, otherwise there wouldn't be an amendment making alcohol illegal and another 2 amendments later making it legal again.

You have no clue what you are speaking of. Congrats though for being willing to give up your right to Free Speech or Due Process. If everyone thought like you this country would have collapsed under tyranny long ago. But dont fret, ignorance is slowly winning out now

[obdigore]

You have no clue what you are speaking of. Congrats though for being willing to give up your right to Free Speech or Due Process. If everyone thought like you this country would have collapsed under tyranny long ago. But dont fret, ignorance is slowly winning out now

Do you know there is a difference between 'technically able to be amended or changed' and 'wanting it to happen'? No? Good for you. Must be nice living in a world where everything is black and white.

[thomas jefferson]

Actually, the Bill of Rights are simply the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution. What makes you think they are not subject to amendment?

Please provide specific passages in the Constitution for reference.

the Country never would have been formed without them. Please see Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and Mason. You know, the main guys who actually really founded the nation along with a couple of others. If you read their notes and letters it is perfectly clear that the Bill of Rights is the very backbone of the nation and is not to be touched.

[Lore Lord]

You have no clue what you are speaking of. Congrats though for being willing to give up your right to Free Speech or Due Process. If everyone thought like you this country would have collapsed under tyranny long ago. But dont fret, ignorance is slowly winning out now

I missed the part where I wanted the bill of rights to be ammended or said I could ever conceive of a future where I would be mildly okay with it being ammended. But it can be ammended making you just plain wrong.

[Banzhe]

Before commenting on the issue please have some understanding of what the Bill of Rights actually is. This is not debatable. Most of you are incredibly uninformed on the subject. You have no business discussing the 2nd Amendment and probably should not even be voting either.

You're right, it's a much more sound argument that guns should remain completely unregulated so there can be more public executions of innocent children n' so forth.., I mean, how insane a Government must be to apply common sense when it comes to this topic, so glad you ended with a comment about someone not being able to vote

[Lore Lord]

the Country never would have been formed without them. Please see Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and Mason. You know, the main guys who actually really founded the nation along with a couple of others. If you read their notes and letters it is perfectly clear that the Bill of Rights is the very backbone of the nation and is not to be touched.

They felt the same way about the entire constitution, but they still left in an amendment process, because you know, apparently they thought being able to change the constitution was an important part of the constitution.

[TranquilDream]

As much as I would love to hang around and tear down your, to put it bluntly, paranoid, delusional, and asinine rhetoric, I've got a job to go to.

Unfortunately, by the time I get off work I will have forgotten this thread exists. Enjoy irrelevancy.

[thomas jefferson]

You're right, it's a much more sound argument that guns should remain completely unregulated so there can be more public executions of innocent children n' so forth.., I mean, how insane a Government must be to apply common sense when it comes to this topic, so glad you ended with a comment about someone not being able to vote

in 1927 a man killed more little kids in a school and he did it without a gun. You are free to live in a country without guns though if you wish.

[roflwaffle]

Can we just get this thread locked already. This is just a back and forth insult thread already starting.

[Sayl]

I gather this is a response to the ' "unconstitutional" is just a mantra for the paranoid' thread.

That's precisely how it began:



But he apparently deleted that post and created this thread instead. I must say the irony is impressive, rivaling Poe quality.

[Morsker]

The Bill of Rights is nothing special. It's just a hodge-podge of assurances to placate anti-federalists, over 200 years ago. Other countries have nothing like it, and still have freedom comparable to ours.

[balatro]

in 1927 a man killed more little kids in a school and he did it without a gun. You are free to live in a country without guns though if you wish.

You're referring to an incident where a man set off a bomb in a school. Definitely not equitable situations.

Since the OP left out a link to confirm it (probably because said incident involved bombs, which is a step above guns), here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

[thomas jefferson]

They felt the same way about the entire constitution, but they still left in an amendment process, because you know, apparently they thought being able to change the constitution was an important part of the constitution.

The Constitution would not exist now nor would the country if not for the Bill of Rights. That is why they were added.
They are not subject to change because any population that would allow it would no longer represent freedom and deserve whatever Tyranny they get.

Most people do not even understand WHY the 2nd amendment exists. It exists purely to enable the citizens to overthrow the US Federal Govt if they need to do it. That is the ONLY correct answer

[Uennie]

It's good that you think the government should never be disputed. I guess that one guy who got really mad and wrote something super important should have just sat back and stopped his bitching.

What was his name ...

Thomas ... Thompson? No ... Jetson?

Yep Thomas Jetson that was it.

sarcasm