Do people on constant welfare/benefits contribute to society ?

[Immorality]

It will be an interesting day indeed when most of the people in the bottom tier of services are replaced by much cheaper, much more efficient machines. What will happen when 90% of people are unemployed in the world if not more? I guess at that point either those people will revolt against progress or we'll have to have the machines take care of them and their needs.

[Redblade]

Annoying over sized lettering

You do realize people can read without annoying super sized text right? If you can't make your point without it please don't contribute at all.

[Themius]

So people want to remove constitutional rights to vote based on how much one contributes?

[Rukentuts]

But the fact that the number of people on unemployment and such is at an all time high.

The whole global recession thing had nothing to do with that, obviously.

[Incredibale]

funny, i see more attempts to introduce religious doctrine into school curriculums than marxist theory. no doubt this is because of the "liberal media", or "because obama"

Then you haven't been keeping track of education for the past, say, 60 years.

Jesus stomping incident, anti-americanism, racialism, overt leftism/marxism, a million other things. There is no pending religious takeover of schools, but there has been a documented leftist/marxist takeover of acedemia.

[smelltheglove]

You do realize people can read without annoying super sized text right? If you can't make your point without it please don't contribute at all.

i just took it as "dont bother reading this post, keep scrolling" - pretty much a reaction to all large font, i dont even consciously think about it any more, lol

[Bigbamboozal]

Dear OP, if you think this way, allow me to shove a new concept in your face. Earn your citizenship. Enlist.
What have you done to earn YOUR right to be here? Anything?
Having rich parents isn't a qualifyer. You must earn your own way. And don't ask for anything until you have.
That's what you imply. And fyi, educated? Lol, you don't qualify as enlightened enough to vote either according to that sort of system. Now what?
Just fucked yourself out of a vote, that's what.

But you know...remember that thing, with the throwing out votes in Florida? Yah, voting, lol, what's the point when they throw out and reassign votes at will? Really blew my mind when that happened.

I think OP, you might consider putting down that paint brush before you paint everyone the same.

[Linkedblade]

Well, I don't think you mean society. Perhaps the economy? Of course they contribute to the economy, with the money the government is giving them they are purchasing items. That in turn helps companies who then hire more or pay more to their workers and buy more resources. However "trickle up" doesn't work and neither does "trickle down." These people shouldn't be given money to begin with. They should have to compete in the job market just like everyone else.

If you are an adult and physically able to work, then you should be working. Unemployment and Disability are usually through state and the company you work for. So in case anyone is wondering this has to be a discussion on Federal Social Security and those who mooch off of it. Unemployment and disability will be different on a state by state basis.

[Itisamuh]

When people abusing welfare and other such programs are able to vote, they will obviously vote for the guy more likely to not change that, rather than the one who would be a better choice for the country. However, there are people who really are trying but struggling for one reason or another, so to bottleneck them all based on the lazy ones would be a bit unfair. I think the programs are the problem, not the voters.

[Deadvolcanoes]

What the fuck is "Constant Welfare." Most people that accept welfare benefits cycle off them in just a few years.

Welfare abuse/fraud does exist, but it's by no means rampant, and by no means a problem. It would probably cost more money to crack down on welfare fraud and abuse than it would to simply allow it to happen.

Oh, and:

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Please do not post images pulling religion into a topic where it isn't necessary.

[smelltheglove]

Then you haven't been keeping track of education for the past, say, 60 years.

Jesus stomping incident, anti-americanism, racialism, overt leftism/marxism, a million other things. There is no pending religious takeover of schools, but there has been a documented leftist/marxist takeover of acedemia.

quick question: how many "creationists" are on the house science committee? if the answer is greater than zero (and it is) then that pretty much invalidates your stance imo

[Redblade]

i just took it as "dont bother reading this post, keep scrolling" - pretty much a reaction to all large font, i dont even consciously think about it any more, lol

Yeah know what you mean, I just think it's a horrible habit that should be nipped in the bud before it takes a foothold here to.

[Linkedblade]

Are you looking at absolute numbers or percentages? If you look at percentages, you'll see that this is not an all time high for unemployment.

Well perhaps not an "all time" high but it's peaked and is close to the 30s and 80s.

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The whole global recession thing had nothing to do with that, obviously.

The premise was they don't contribute to society. That isn't true. However, they shouldn't be given "free" money.

[Garnier Fructis]

So people want to remove constitutional rights to vote based on how much one contributes?

You know the constitution doesn't actually state people have a right to vote, right? It only says those rights can't be denied on the basis of race, sex, age, etc. States still have the ability to deny it on factors not defined by the amendments to the constitution.

[smokeydown]

Far to many where I'm from abuse the system and are nothing but leaches on the rest of society. Obviously it’s not everyone, but I see it to often. Why are you having more kids if you haven’t had a job in 5 years?

[Linkedblade]

You know the constitution doesn't actually state people have a right to vote, right? It only says those rights can't be denied on the basis of race, sex, age, etc. States still have the ability to deny it on factors not defined by the amendments to the constitution.

Yeah like saying you have to show an ID to vote. . .

[Lochton]

Right but then in your case, you are not on permanent welfare. You found yourself unemployed and you got benefits, which you paid for through you employment insurance contributions. When you work, you pay an income tax. I am talking about people who are permanently on welfare. How are they productive members of society ? It unfortunately is not as rare as it should be.

Was about to make a certain comment, but had to ask google for advice. Seems that the United States people whom are on welfare, does not pay tax. According to what I found atleast. As living on welfare in my country, we even have to pay tax still, so that's a rather large difference.

But can still set a mark on the fact that even if you are on welfare, you are still doing your part to keep "an" economy flowing. For you to be on welfare, you have to be in contact with job positions which needs people. They then do the paper works and send it off to other job positions for approval, then they release a sum of money for you to use to live on. The money then goes to various companies and stores and supplies with payment for others.

You may not contribute in the US with taxes, but you are contributing with work for people (in a way, you can't decline it). The use of money is healthy for the communities and society, it is in a way unhealthy for the economy to save money as it'll make business slim for others, within said current time till you use them (Not saying it's bad to save though). But all in all, you are contributing to the community even if you are on welfare.

Then add to the fact that some people as well volunteer for jobs or the likes.

((Sorry for perhaps bad spelling, but that was my view I would say.)

[Deleted]

The wealthy are made by the society. It is society that contributes itself by allowing the existens of theese wealthy in the first place.

Eternal welfare contributes to the morality of a society. I have no interest to live in such a society that does not give welfare, the moral implications are far more reaching than just "welfare".(Schooling, infrastructure and goverment subsiding etc.)

And it´s really just a myth that people like mooching off. Give people a job on which they can survive and not break a leg, they will happily do it.

I agree with that last statement, there are only really a few that don't won't to work at all.

Also some people here are saying that unemployment is a part of a healthy society, but do we have any percentage at which point it stops being healthy ?

[Elegiac]

You know the constitution doesn't actually state people have a right to vote, right? It only says those rights can't be denied on the basis of race, sex, age, etc. States still have the ability to deny it on factors not defined by the amendments to the constitution.

By saying "the right to vote shall not be denied" the Constitution implies that it is an inherent right.

[Themius]

You know the constitution doesn't actually state people have a right to vote, right? It only says those rights can't be denied on the basis of race, sex, age, etc. States still have the ability to deny it on factors not defined by the amendments to the constitution.

And I highly doubt discrimination based on economic standing would get approval.