Have MSNBC become too liberal !

[Cthulhu 2020]

MSNBC is worse than Fox News on average. Mostly because Fox News has more actual news and less opinion talk shows (which are always biased).

MSNBC doesn't label itself as a news show, and even admits to only having about 10% news, where Fox deliberately blurs the lines between what is news and what is political talk. Also in a study linked by our very own Vyxn, something like 40% of Fox viewers trust Fox to deliver them real news, where <10% of MSNBC viewers trust MSNBC to deliver them real news. Considering the amount of Fox News right wing rhetoric that is repeated on these forums, I'd say a lot of that 40% post here.

Also, I'd hardly call the actual "news" that Fox news posts as news to be anything worthy of even paying attention to, considering that what they deem to be news is reporting on trailer park disputes and various irrelevant American urban living stories.

[artemishunter1]

Let me give you a little insight into the liberal mind here. More then a few of us are getting tired of Republicans making us look like the most ignorant nation on the planet.

. You guys support oil and coal. Most of the time I wish liberals would stop being wussies and tell you to go suck on a exhaust pipe and die of cancer.
. Republicans do not like solar. I DO NOT CARE. Continue to pay the Entergy company for crap service and help them subsidize their monopoly.
. Republicans do not like gun laws. I pray your kids get shot because it seems the only way Republicans care is when it happens to them.

There needs to be something hard left to counter the shit I see daily on Faux news. If you do not like it I COULD CARE LESS. I am done trying to reason with Republicans.

If it was not for lobbying I would support coal, and if it was not for OPEC, I would support oil drilling. Oil and coal are very efficient, but subsidies cost us without much payback. I would rather spend the subsidies in new research on energy sources to make them efficient as oil and coal.

[Cthulhu 2020]

This thread:
Guy 1: "MSNBC is full of lies. Here look at these examples. XYZBGT"
Guy 2: "Hey, I agree with MSNBC Politically. So I'm bringing up Fox News"
*thread permanently becomes about Fox news*

I didn't see where anyone said they agree with or even watch MSNBC in here, as most people on the left end of the spectrum know better than that, where I see tons of conservatives swallow Fox's rhetoric hook line and sinker. Could you please point out where guy 2 was true though? Perhaps I missed it.

[GreatSageCorban]

MSNBC doesn't label itself as a news show

http://tv.msnbc.com/about/
"The premier cable destination for in-depth analysis of daily headlines, insightful political commentary and informed perspectives – 24/7. MSNBC defines news for the next generation with world-class reporting and a full schedule of live news coverage, political analysis and award-winning documentary programming – 24 hours a day, seven days a week. MSNBC’s home on the Internet is tv.msnbc.com."

Perhaps I missed it.

Yup, you should go back and read all 10 pages again.

[Cthulhu 2020]

http://tv.msnbc.com/about/
"The premier cable destination for in-depth analysis of daily headlines, insightful political commentary and informed perspectives – 24/7. MSNBC defines news for the next generation with world-class reporting and a full schedule of live news coverage, political analysis and award-winning documentary programming – 24 hours a day, seven days a week. MSNBC’s home on the Internet is tv.msnbc.com."

What I see there is MSNBC saying they report news (which they do, it is cherry picked and very liberal though), political analysis and documentaries. I didn't see them labeling themselves as a news network specifically, which was my point. Fox does.

Yup, you should go back and read all 10 pages again.

I've been following this thread and I didn't really see any of #2, so you'll have to point it out, because really as far as I am aware it didn't happen.

MSNBC has an extreme liberal bias, most Democrats/liberals will tell you that. They're not deluded that it's by any means middle of the road, where Fox viewership likes to claim that it's middle of the road. I'm not surprised though, many conservatives like to believe that their political views are the "average" and what most of the US prescribes to. There always was a large amount of cognitive dissonance there.

[Adam Jensen]

MSNBC does not claim to be centrist.

Fox News on the other hand has "fair and balanced" as their motto.

---------- Post added 2013-04-18 at 12:34 PM ----------

More Lies... just like dead people dont vote... just like people dont vote more than once.

Dead people don't vote. That was registration fraud, not voter fraud. The dead didn't show up to vote now did they?

[Deleted]

You know what WNYIRISHGUY. Not that I have any issues on being liberal, being such a commie bastard as I am, I still think you might be on to something here for the very first time. News should be neutral, or at least as neutral as possible, and this is quite an obvious show of alignment from them.

Edit; but yea, why single out MSNBC when Fox is just as bad if not worse in the other side of the political spectrum. You can want news outlets to not be leftist, but you can't allow them to be right wing at the same time. It's called hypocrisy.

[Adam Jensen]

1960 Presidental Election... 2000 Presidental Election... just 2 that are historically claimed by one side or the other as 'stolen'

and thanks for answering my question about assault weapons... I'll expect to see more of your dishonest posts about how we need to ban guns because they kill people

The 2000 Pres Election was not "stolen" because of voter ID fraud.

---------- Post added 2013-04-18 at 12:38 PM ----------

I thought it was said that very tiny percentage of fraud occured... which is it?...

A tiny percentage of voter ID fraud. Don't be obtuse.

[artemishunter1]

So let me get this right, government controlled speech and censorship doesn't shred the freedom of speech, is that what you are saying?

Ok, you want to defend Freedom of Speech, but not democracy? Democracy need a well informed public to work. If the public is fed bullshit, then it will not work. I am ready to bury freedom of speech if it means we can have honest gov't (though in reality without freedom of speech, honest gov't is not possible, with it Democracy is not possible, thus need for regulation, as the only act left to curb a balance between bullshit and honest gov't)

[Adam Jensen]

Oh and you may not be "republican" but whatever you call yourself you sure have their talking points down.

It's a common thing on the Internet, (and not just on this forum) to be lock step with the GOP while claiming to be "independent"

All the pleasures of being a conservative with none of the baggage?

---------- Post added 2013-04-18 at 12:42 PM ----------

There's a lot of scary words there, so I'm just going to assume you want my guns and you can come and take them from my cold dead hands because anyone who massacres people with guns are crazy and anyone who wants to take my guns are tyrants.

This is pretty much what I read on Facebook everyday, sadly.

Same. Every day its "Gun control = Obummer takin mah gunz away!"

Funny story, in the 90s, NRA leader Wayne LaPeirre advocated for universal background checks. Guess the gun industry offered him a better bargain.

[Bakis]

Ok, you want to defend Freedom of Speech, but not democracy? Democracy need a well informed public to work. If the public is fed bullshit, then it will not work. I am ready to bury freedom of speech if it means we can have honest gov't (though in reality without freedom of speech, honest gov't is not possible, with it Democracy is not possible, thus need for regulation, as the only act left to curb a balance between bullshit and honest gov't)

This is what Seranthor dont understand cos he is probably in favor of an elite sitting on all the information while the masses can be easily manipulated in favor of the elite.
Democracy in a nutshell eh?

[Adam Jensen]

You're sure you don't mean Fox News?

Gretchen Carlson makes my brain hurt sometimes.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You know what WNYIRISHGUY. Not that I have any issues on being liberal, being such a commie bastard as I am, I still think you might be on to something here for the very first time. News should be neutral, or at least as neutral as possible, and this is quite an obvious show of alignment from them.

I'd be perfectly fine with there being a laws requiring all news shows to be as unbias as possible, and all opinion shows be clearly labeled so there is no confusion that they are "news". In fact, I want this. MSNBC would have to stop cherry picking their news stories, and Fox News would have to majorly overhaul their programming, or rename themselves to Fox Conservative Fantasy Land.

[Kujako]

I'd be perfectly fine with there being a laws requiring all news shows to be as unbias as possible, and all opinion shows be clearly labeled so there is no confusion that they are "news". In fact, I want this. MSNBC would have to stop cherry picking their news stories, and Fox News would have to majorly overhaul their programming, or rename themselves to Fox Conservative Fantasy Land.

There once where such rules, since the networks where using public air waves to transmit their shows they had to devote a set amount of time each week to reporting the news.

[MerinPally]

Americans... I have to ask seeing as we don't go on about "this news station is bias this way politically" over in England... why do you care? You have so many news stations,some are middle ground some lean one way or another. Pick the neutral one or the political ideal you agree with. All the time on mmoc I see Americans making a thread about how "this is becoming too liberal" "this is going too far the other way". Why oh why does it matter Just don't watch it. On BBC news yesterday morning there was an interview at this guys house and he had a pink dildo standing on top of his fridge. Noone said that the BBC was becoming accepting of pornography on tv or of having such things on before the watershed :/

Maybe I'm just a confused Brit about why it matters so much but you're spoilt for choice so it's not like you're being deprived.

[Nakura Chambers]

They've been "too liberal" for a very long time now.

[oblivionx]

Problem has never been MSNBC being liberal, everyone knows it's biased trash. Real problem is CBS (dan rather), NBC (lolz), and ABC (what a downturn since peter jennings) being parrots for the democrats. That's why Fox has viewers, even though the viewers know it's biased. CNN seemed to move to the center, but when they were the Clinton News Network they assumed a "Bill Clinton playing saxophone" all day position that was pretty far from the center, so moving to the center is actually only moving to a leftwing position that nearer the center but still far from it.

As for the Faux news lies... "recovery summer" that never happened being run on the big 3 broadcast networks like it was true. They are far more guilty of bias due to the fact they have 100% of viewers. Even now they are all on the raise an eyebrow and say "extreme weather" roll, and it's obvious the slant they are on.

I mean really.. Dan Rather ran a story he knew was a lie right before an election. That's treasonous behavior, but even know the left all knew it was a lie they cheered it, Goebbels would be proud.

As for degree of bias... I'd take fox news over the left's source of information especially being it's crazy leftwing disinformation sites on the net, Daily show and Colbert, Bill Mauer and MSNBC. That's a whole lot of crazy lying people take as "news". It's somewhat amazing that they can attack fox with a straight face, but I guess if you lie enough you get used to it.

No matter of reasoning or debate will change the minds of the fooled.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Believing Fox News? Wat

[oblivionx]

Believing Fox News? Wat

versus the alternatives, it's far more believable.

[Nakura Chambers]

versus the alternatives, it's far more believable.

Sadly this is true. There is no "unbiased media," in fact, such a thing is virtually impossible, seeing as humans are biased in their nature.