1.3 million sub drop

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If you spent more than, lest say, 6 hours per day playing solo, then you are solo hardcore.

Casual and hardcore are about the time spent.

So ur telling me i can login then afk for 6hours and im classed as hardcore?!?!?! lmao

Dude u need to go away and read up on what Hardcore actually means because ur clearly dilluded.

Hardcore is pretty much the point where players are playing a game at the point theyre racing for 'world firsts' (or realm firsts) and are playing at a level where they can pickup sponsorship... that is the definition of Hardcore Gaming in EVERY GAME.

[Faroth]

What do I know though, nay-sayers want a "50% drop in subscribers within 3 months" to admit the game is dying, the dead servers that are complained about over and over isn't enough for them.

That's because the game isn't dying, it's in decline. Like you said, it's 8.5 years old, it's actually more surprising that it didn't start slowly trickling out subs sooner. I give any standard MMO about 5-6 years for it to reach its pinnacle and then start its decline.

If EverQuest is still running today with new expansions, I will not concede that WoW is dying. To me, saying it's dying implies it's headed for shut down. Matrix Online was dying, SW: Galaxies was dying, and both died. WoW is merely in decline, sinking towards the point it will balance out with the core group that will stick with it, same as EQ.

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So ur telling me i can login then afk for 6hours and im classed as hardcore?!?!?! lmao

Dude u need to go away and read up on what Hardcore actually means because ur clearly dilluded.

He said 6 hours a day,don't twist his words so you can insult him.

[Obsession]

I would hesitate to use the dictionary defintion. The developers sure as hell don't. The developers have no working definition or one that they share at any rate. They insist they don't in conversation.

No. Casual has a definition, people try to change the definition to fit something they don't like. It's not the casuals that are quitting, it's the hardcore, the people that were actually good at the game. They are moving for games where skill is actually measured and the game is relatively balanced. Additionally, f2p is the way of the future.

[Glorious Leader]

Yes they are.

Example - when i get home and want to play a few games on my XBox i can flick it on, game loads up i join a que to play a few games online with other players. I kill a few hours then i turn it off and go to bed...

Wow = get home, flick on the PC and load up Wow, join a que for a few games online with other players then after a few hours i turn it off and go to bed.

That my friend is the ENTIRE definition of Casual Gaming.

At the point that u need to join a guild, socialise with others, create your own teams to conquer content the games moves away from casual gaming and into what is called an MMO.

Nope. it isn't. Lot's of people play xbox games hardcore. CoD and Bf3. Team liquid at one point had a whole Cod squad or something to that effect. The sociability of an activity does not determine it's casualness.

[ro9ue]

The dailies weren't hard. Do you want gear sent to your mail box?

Seriously, what do "casuals" want? No grind, no effort, but instant gratification.

Maybe dailies just weren't fun? They weren't fun for me personally. There were too many and the rewards didn't last. Plus the story shouldn't be interrupted by dailies. If Blizz make dailies again they should make a lot less but make them more rewarding and make sure the rewards last then they will be worth it.

Never said dailies were hard they just aren't fun. Why would I do something not fun with my free time.

FYI your post is strangely contradictory. You bash me for not wanting to do dailies and then go on about how you don't like them either.

[Glorious Leader]

No. Casual has a definition, people try to change the definition to fit something they don't like.

The key is what definition the developers use.

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So ur telling me i can login then afk for 6hours and im classed as hardcore?!?!?! lmao

Dude u need to go away and read up on what Hardcore actually means because ur clearly dilluded.

Who said anything about "afk"? I have friends that play WoW completely solo all day, jumping from alt to alt, doing dailies, gathering, crafting, pvp and random heroics. With almost no downtime between each part. That is the definition of a solo hardcore.

[Ragedaug]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/casual Based off of dictionary definitions, brawlers guild is casual. Discussion done.

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There is nothing in the dictionary definition of casual that defines Brawlers Guild. Discussion done again??

Casual is about time and effort vested, not how many players you play with. You can pick a 1-player game off the shelf and play it on a hardcore level all by yourself.

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No. Casual has a definition, people try to change the definition to fit something they don't like. It's not the casuals that are quitting, it's the hardcore, the people that were actually good at the game. They are moving for games where skill is actually measured and the game is relatively balanced. Additionally, f2p is the way of the future.

The thing here is that Blizzard said are the casuals that are leaving. And that depends what is their definition of casual, not ours.

[Hubbl3]

Never said dailies were hard they just aren't fun. Why would I do something not fun with my free time. That's the whole point buddy, and why my sub isn't active.

Yeah, Blizz needs to provide different ways of optaining gear or progress your character. I don't understand why they dumped the reputation tabards. You want to grind your faction in dungeons? Fine, do it. You want to do dailies and progress through quests and then get your reward? Do it! You want a little bit of both? Also fine. You want to craft your gear and collect the ingredients? Well, do it. Just provide different ways. Don't force people into one way or the other. Balance the time requirement so that not one way is way faster then the other and gg.

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Nope. it isn't. Lot's of people play xbox games hardcore. CoD and Bf3. Team liquid at one point had a whole Cod squad or something to that effect. The sociability of an activity does not determine it's casualness.

Ur a prime example of someone whose been stuck playing Wow for years and is clueless about gaming in general. My definitions are from whats accepted across the gaming industry, and funnily enough exactly what Blizzard and Activision class as 'casual' and 'hardcore'.

Ur welcome to try to redefine it to try to meet your own means but i will continue to use the terms as the rest of the gaming industry uses those terms.

[Obsession]

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There is nothing in the dictionary definition of casual that defines Brawlers Guild. Discussion done again??

Casual is about time and effort vested, not how many players you play with. You can pick a 1-player game off the shelf and play it on a hardcore level all by yourself.

1. Being without ceremony or formality; relaxed: a casual evening with friends.
2. Occurring at irregular or infrequent intervals; occasional:
3. Unpremeditated; offhand: a casual remark.

All of these, in one way or another, are accurate descriptions of the brawlers guild. Casual doesn't mean bad at the game, casual means they log on for 2 hours a day at random times. I'm glad you agree with the definitions by calling brawlers guild casual in your second sentence though.

[Hubbl3]

Ur a prime example of someone whose been stuck playing Wow for years and is clueless about gaming in general. My definitions are from whats accepted across the gaming industry, and funnily enough exactly what Blizzard and Activision class as 'casual' and 'hardcore'.

Ur welcome to try to redefine it to try to meet your own means but i will continue to use the terms as the rest of the gaming industry uses those terms.

I'm totally convinced that Pi equals 3!

[Glorious Leader]

1. Being without ceremony or formality; relaxed: a casual evening with friends.
2. Occurring at irregular or infrequent intervals; occasional:
3. Unpremeditated; offhand: a casual remark.

All of these, in one way or another, are accurate descriptions of the brawlers guild. Casual doesn't mean bad at the game, casual means they log on for 2 hours a day at random times.

Right okay? I don't see the problem.

[Obsession]

Right okay? I don't see the problem.

So you agree Brawlers Guild is casual. I'm glad we are in agreeance on this, finally. Now to get to the poitn of how Blizzard mostly adds casual content yet subscription numbers are decreasing, but continue on with their terrible decisions because ghostcrawler "knows what will make you have fun more than you do"

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I'm totally convinced that Pi equals 3!

Ur welcome to search the internet for definitions of what Casual and hardcore gaming actually is and post it up on here... u wont cos u will only find exactly what ive already posted up as my definition.

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All of these, in one way or another, are accurate descriptions of the brawlers guild. Casual doesn't mean bad at the game, casual means they log on for 2 hours a day at random times. I'm glad you agree with the definitions by calling brawlers guild casual in your second sentence though.

Then all (except raiding) content in WoW is casual and hardcore. One can spend few time in Brawler's Guild, sure, but it can also spend there all day. Heck, fishing can be hardcore.

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But talking cows, wolves, rats, and plants all belong perfectly.

Minotaurs and werewolves you mean. Yes, they fit high fantasy like a glove. Obese talking kung fu pandas don't.

I honestly don't remember mechanical demons and flying crystal ships, tied with interdimensional travelling, on medieval roots...

If anything, Pandaria is MORE medieval (China) than Outland.

WoW is high fantasy with steam punk with largely medieval fantasy roots. Take knights and wizards and dragons out of it then see how long it will last. The ships were powered by magic.

Teletubbies don't belong in Game of Thrones. They are just impossible to take seriously.

Sorry bro.

Never said dailies were hard they just aren't fun. Why would I do something not fun with my free time. That's the whole point buddy, and why my sub isn't active.

FYI your post is strangely contradictory. You bash me for not wanting to do dailies and then go on about how you don't like them either.

The dailies weren't fun for me personally but they were the definition of casual content because you could solo your way to good gear.

[Glorious Leader]

Ur a prime example of someone whose been stuck playing Wow for years and is clueless about gaming in general. My definitions are from whats accepted across the gaming industry, and funnily enough exactly what Blizzard and Activision class as 'casual' and 'hardcore'.

Ur welcome to try to redefine it to try to meet your own means but i will continue to use the terms as the rest of the gaming industry uses those terms.

The guy who plays two hours playing cod on his xbox get's more reward than the guy who plays two hours in this current iteration of warcraft. It has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with sociability and I"m not sure exactly what gaming standards your using when the very developers who make wow don't have one.