"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Depends if they launch 5.3 in June or not. That's when Q2 ends. That said, by the way, when was Thunder King launched?
Yay, awesome, you found a minor needpick.
But don't be fucking dense. The main point of the discussion in a topic about WoW sub predictions obviously is, if sub revenues are listed under the 93 million column or under the 275 million column, giving us an indication where western subs might actually be. Quoted guy was off, you were off and the clapping third guy was off too. Off by a factor of three btw. That's like claiming the average american is 1 foot 10. Joker.
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"There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
"The bit about hardcore players not always caring about the long term interests of the game is spot on." -- Ghostcrawler
"Do you want a game with no casuals so about 500 players?"
Not sure what there is to predict here given even Blizzard said subscriptions will probably continue dropping. These threads always just seem like an excuse to bash Blizzard and Wow.
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People on these forums won't be happy until all Wow servers are shut down and Blizzard is in financial ruin. Neither of which are likely to happen anytime soon.
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It has nothing to do with Mop. The game is EIGHT YEARS OLD going on nine now. Come on people at some point the game was going to start losing players.
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They aren't rejecting the expansion. You do realize there are a significant number of free to play mmos in Asian markets right? They are rejecting subscription based mmos not Mop. Look I get it people hate pandas but stop twisting facts to push your inane agenda.
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How much longer are people going to bang the annual pass drum? A majority of those ended multiple quarters ago. It isn't a factor at all not even remotely. Just to put things in perspective there were only 1.2 million subscribers with an annual pass to begin with so to claim it will have ANY impact at this point well after most of them already ended is just moronic.
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Remember how people made these exact same claims after the first initial big losses in Cata and then were proved wrong with multiple quarters of significantly smaller losses? Expect it to happen again.
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I'm still having fun so I will be playing for a long time to come and I don't see that changing. I never played Wow because it was popular so I don't give a fuck how many people quit the game.
Market Acceptance (from businessdictionary.com):
Condition in which a good or service satisfies the needs of a sufficiently large number of customers to continue or increase its production or availability.
Bolded the last part because they sure haven't been meeting that criteria in the Eastern market. Since, by the very definition, they aren't meeting market acceptance and the opposite of accept is reject, one can safely say the Eastern markets are rejecting WoW. 'nuff said.
Go back and troll WoW General forums, kthxbai.
Uh no. No company is going to run around bragging about how their customers are leaving in droves. Why on earth would anyone believe such a thing?
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They are paying subscribers regardless of where they live, how much they pay, how they pay, why they play, how often they play, how many accounts they have and any other moronic thing you people come up with to marginalize what is actually a FACT whether you like it or not. I'm so sorry Blizzard hasn't fallen to their knees in financial ruin and groveling to you and others who seem to feel as if they are owed something for Blizzard slighting them. Get over it. Declining game or not Blizzard is making a huge profit for their shareholders and THAT is all that matters. Shareholders honest to god don't give a fuck about the internal politics between a bunch of nerds on a video game forum.
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No source required. It is common sense. For Blizzard to make a profit with Wow it would have to come from subscribers from the West as you yourself stated Blizzard only makes pennies on the dollar from subscribers from the East. When you play fast and loose with the facts to push an agenda you tend to shoot yourself in the foot like you just did. Good job. As for you being a hater, your post history speaks for itself. Stating that Blizzard is making a profit despite subscription losses isn't fanboyism it is a fact and your claim otherwise is why people call you a hater.
Seriously what the fuck is your problem? You try to marginalize Blizzard's subscriber numbers and all you have managed to do is spotlight that Blizzard is profiting just fine even with subscriber losses despite your best efforts to obfuscate the truth. Give it up already.
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So...wait. Which is it? When it comes to subscription loss Asian players seem to matter but when it comes to how many players Wow has then Asian players magically cease to exist? You can't have it both ways. Again crap like this is why people are called haters.
Oh look someone pretending Blizzard didn't make a profit simply because someone looked at the wrong figures.
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While the exact numbers involving the profit made from Wow aren't directly itemized it is quite easy to come up with some very realistic estimates based on numbers we do know. Let's stop pretending otherwise.
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According to the non GAAP numbers Blizzard still made a profit. So what is your point? Oh right. You don't have one.
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It isn't a "PR" number. It is a verifiable number that Blizzard is obligated by federal law according to SEC regulations to be provided accurately to shareholders. If they say 8.3 million then by god it is 8.3 million and not one subscriber less. It doesn't matter where they live or how much they pay, paying accounts are paying accounts. Period. End of story. If you want to get into who pays more and whether East or West contributes more to Blizzard's profit that is all fine and good but seriously just stop pretending like people magically don't exist simply because they create an inconvenient reality for you.
I like how people refuse to see anything but dailies and pandas and refuse to consider that maybe just maybe just possibly the reason for subscriber loss in Asian markets isn't due to Blizzard dropping the ball in catering to Asians but the fact that market has been taken over by the free to play model. There is also the fact the mmo market world wide has shrunk. Yes there are less people playing Wow now. Guess what? There are less people playing mmos overall subscription based or not.
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Profit is profit. Sorry. If people weren't playing Wow they wouldn't pay for Wow value added services. Or are you going to claim people pay for these things and don't pay for Wow itself? Please just stop you are just making yourself look even more ignorant than usual.
The only one being insulting here is you because no one is buying your bullshit. You and a few other rabid haters have been harassing and insulting and generally acting like jackasses because he has brought up actual facts and figures (required by law to be accurate). Get over it and get the fuck over yourselves already. Blizzard isn't going to cook the books just to pump up their numbers because I'm pretty damn sure they don't want to end up like Bernie Madoff. You remember him don't you? The guy that is one of the main causes for MANY changes in SEC regulations of publicly traded companies.
My basic view on this all is IDGAF, I will continue to play aslong as I enjoy the game thats all that matters to me. Ya the game is 8 years and eventually I will move on, but I do still enjoy the game & my guild is still very active and enjoys it aswell.
I feel people use these threads like Xanzul said to bash the game & bring in the negative light as much as they can and there are alot of negatives things, but also keep in mind there are alot of possitive things aswell in-game. It like people who don't play anymore really care about the game, when they certaininly already show they don't, I don't get why they waste there time in here than.
Honestly things like this make me wanna come to the MMO-Champ Forums less & less and only come for news honestly, All I see really is people who don't play anymore shout out the doom & gloom and they say if you don't like it than to bad cause your wrong & I'm always right kind of crap. Its sad
Alot of people enjoy the game still. I personally think NA/EU together equals 5 - 6 Mill (2.5 or 3 each, just an honest estimate) Subs and that the huge bulk of Asia is already gone cause of the f2p market & NA/EU are now the main big part of subs, I honestly think the days of Asia being the dominate part in the sub base is gone, but thats just me. Thats just my idea or opinion on the matter if anyone wanted to know.
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Here is something you people can't seem to quite comprehend: what you dislike isn't what other people dislike. You don't like ToT? Awesome. Good for you. Guess what? Not everyone is you. A lot of people have said very favorable things about this raid tier (along with constructive criticism on what could have been done better). What you people only seem interested in doing is crapping all over anything Blizzard does or says even resorting to flat out lying or spin doctoring if there isn't enough ammo to use to push your tin foil hat conspiracies. Blizzard can try to convince people content is good all they want but if people don't like it they will say so and have but make no mistake about it there are people who do like Mop who do like ToT who do like much of what has changed in this expansion and their feedback and opinions are just as valid and just as important as yours.
Common sense is that it will drop further as the expansion goes on, and if everything goes well (Burning Legion), then we will see an increase again next expansion. How much, I do not know, but only time will tell.
What I don't get is how some people seem to defend the "Losing subs, still much more than any other mmo, so its kay!". You think the developers of WoW sits at their offices working on new content thinks "it's kay, our goal isn't to maintain the subs, it's to lose as few as possible".
Mind you, I'm no WoW-hater, I just quit the game in Cata when I felt it was the same old shit over again after playing through vanilla-WotLK, where I can say objectively I had good and memorable experiences I will appreciate till I die in all of the games, I even had some in Cata before I quit. But developers and a game company can't defend them losing subs with "WE STILL GOT MORE THAN YOU SHITTY GAMES!", they work hard to at least maintain them, and something is apparently not working for them. It's a combination of not being able to pull new players in and keeping them older ones for longer than they currently do. I'm not saying WoW is dying, because it's such an aweful term, however, is the game evolving as fast as it should?
OT: I think with summer and Rift F2P in June and good releases in the autumn will lower the WoW-subs by at least the same as it did in the former quarter, again, it's a guesstimate.