[5.4] Protection Warrior

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Lets be honest here. The reason people went for mastery is because it smoothed out the damage. Dodge/parry has always been a higher damage reduction but more bursty.

Now lets look at 5.4. Increased rage from the devastate/shield slam crit change along with more revenges (due to more dodge/parry) will mean that damage will not only be less, but it will also be smooth (smooth enough). Parry/dodge will destroy mastery builds next patch, you get so many advantages and I'm really glad it got some love.

[Zaiosrs]

Is 4p Tier 16 worth it in its current state?

"For 10 sec after Demoralizing Shout falls off your targets, you gain Rage from taking damage."

From what I can see on the PTR, the rage per hit for the 10 secs post Demo Shout is very little (I was only getting 1-2 rage per hit from random mobs on the Timeless Isle)

Keeping in mind the stats on our Tier gear this round, we have 3 pieces that are Expertise/Mastery (Shoulders, Gloves, Chest), 1 Hit/Parry (Legs), and 1 Parry/Mastery (Helm). Looking through the list of gear on the WoWhead PTR, there are Dodge/Parry for our Chest, Gloves, Helm, and Shoulders, while the only non-tier options for legs are either crit/mastery or haste/mastery so far.

Are people planning or just using 2p and 3 offset pieces? or is 4 piece worth it and not working quite right for me?

[Deleted]

Someone posted it already. Make sure to stash all the gear you need pre-patch. Parry gems sell for 6g on my server atm.

[Gliff]

43g a pop on my server -_-

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so with the patch the reforge priority will be parry>dodge>mastery>crit or parry>dodge>crit>mastery?

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so with the patch the reforge priority will be parry>dodge>mastery>crit or parry>dodge>crit>mastery?

no, hit > exp > parry/dodge

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no, hit > exp > parry/dodge

yea i didnt include hit and exp because i thought they were obvious...

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yea i didnt include hit and exp because i thought they were obvious...

You won't reach crit or mastery anyway if you have 4 stats already in your prio list.

[Valech]

Hi guys.

A friend of mine is kinda new to warrior tanking and wonders why everyone picks "Second Wind" as second tier talent, instead of "Impending Victory". We're playing a casual 10m NM guild, with some eventual HC modes.

I think that you wont be at 35% that much for making SW worthwile. Does that 10 rage used on IV make such a big problem?

Tx a lot.

It´s simple. Take Impending Victory until you require 2 set Bonus, then take Enraged Regeneration.

[Tseng]

Has anybody actually tried to sim avoidance gearing?

According to http://www.sacredduty.net/2013/08/05...ncraft-v530-6/ setting “ptr=1″ should enable 5.4 changes for warriors in simcraft, however I wasn't able to find information how up-to-date this PTR implementation is (especially regarding 50% vs 75% Riposte).

Nevertheless I'll do some simulations as soon as I get home from work and will also try to delve into the PTR implementation for warriors.

[Deleted]

BIS list for 5.4 provided by wowhead: http://goo.gl/Vm2pqU

Interesting enough. Nearly every single item on the warrior tier has mastery now. Only the legs come without.

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You won't reach crit or mastery anyway if you have 4 stats already in your prio list.

didnt think about that



mmm but stamina loses value with this patch? why i see pure red gem in red sockets?

[Valech]

didnt think about that



mmm but stamina loses value with this patch? why i see pure red gem in red sockets?

Stamina never had real value aside from 25 heroic. The socketbonus would have to be enormous to justify the use of a mixed gem with stamina. Your equippment alone provides enough stamina to survive everything 10man or 25man nhc throws at you.

[Deleted]

mmm but stamina loses value with this patch? why i see pure red gem in red sockets?

Because either you have enough then stamina = 0 or you don't have enough then you pick up as much as you can. I already answered on the crit vs mastery part only a page ago but i'd like to add that we still want to hit shield block most of the time so mastery is always never wasted. And as already pointed out it's rather unlikely that you'll want to pick up crit/x pieces because they can't have avoidance on it.

For gearing: set pants+whatever you can get your hands on, rest offpieces (preferable half a tier higher -> warforged). Zorks list is missing on several pieces due to excluding everything with mastery on it, ie: there's not one but four shields this tier ( http://ptr.wowhead.com/items=4.6?fil...20;crs=1;crv=0 ). For my taste a tad to much, after the one-shield disaster in t14 they greatly overdo it in t15 (3) and t16 (4). Yes, avoidance will be king this tier but we can still reforge 40% out of mastery. So sticking to his values (but ptr link so we can see all stats) = http://ptr.wowhead.com/items=4?filte...:30:25:20;gb=1

Ps: What's with missing tanking pants, did that really passed unnoticed? Only alternative is crafted pants http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=98606 & belt is also not listed just yet http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=98615

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Has anybody actually tried to sim avoidance gearing?

What do you want to sim? TDR avoidance as always best for a large amount of hits, but totally unreliable for a 'small amount of swings'-scenario. Simming our possible dps is nearly worthless due to vengeance, debuff application, taunting for debuffs and so on.

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Getting sick of the strength socket bonuses to be honest!

[Odina]

BIS list for 5.4 provided by wowhead: http://goo.gl/Vm2pqU

Interesting enough. Nearly every single item on the warrior tier has mastery now. Only the legs come without.

Yea I'm gunning for Legs and helm to get the 2 set and the rest all off pieces! Should make the 2 shamies and hunter I raid with happy as I wont be compeeting most of the time on tier :P

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If I'm not mistaken this should be the BIS to get:
http://ptr.wowhead.com/compare?items...:105693:102250

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If I'm not mistaken this should be the BIS to get:
http://ptr.wowhead.com/compare?items...:105693:102250

Haven't checked it for "correctness" but I upgraded, gemmed, enchanted and reforged everything ... pretty awesome looking stats.

[Deleted]

If I'm not mistaken this should be the BIS to get:
http://ptr.wowhead.com/compare?items...:105693:102250

Any idea why this doesn't work for me? I get a link to a blank wowhead page.

[ChrisKoe]

Any idea why this doesn't work for me? I get a link to a blank wowhead page.

Had the same problem. Loggin in on wowhead solved it for me.