Does anyone else find it sad Garrosh is going to die?

[Dreaderick]

I'm very happy been waiting for this!

[Aucald]

Garrosh's story just pummeled. It took a leap. So much justification left untold, just to speculate. The speculation went in one direction, to assume he was evil , that was all there was to it, why bother justifying his evilness if the community downright hates him?

I think Garrosh's arc of descent is pretty well laid out, although not nearly to the level of Arthas' story (mind, he didn't have three entire games to do it in). Garrosh's downward arc pretty much began when Thrall (humorously the root of all evil when it comes to Garrosh) gave him an unwarranted boost of pride and ego when he challenged Garrosh's original view of his father. By not tempering the information with the necessary warnings and modifiers he basically undid Garrosh's whole foundation for being in fell swoop and left him to pretty much pick up the pieces of his shattered viewpoints.

Garrosh resolved the conundrum by gaining an insanely skewed image of Grom's merit (which, in turn, caused him to challenge Thrall to a duel when Thrall dared question Grom's personality or motives), which extended to the thing Grom seemingly championed (e.g. the Horde itself). At this point, at least some insecurity and self-doubt remained with Garrosh and he questioned Thrall's attempt to put him in the position of Warchief. But after insulating himself against further challenges to his personal views via the death of Cairne (arguably not Garrosh's fault but it still removed a voice of dissent), the self-exile of Vol'jin, and then surrounding himself with like-minded yes-men; Garrosh began to fortify his own beliefs in himself, his legacy, and the future of the Horde in what he saw as a hostile world.

Garrosh is basically unprepared to deal with either setbacks or self-doubt - and his pathological personality won't allow him to accept any form of defeat or failure, he simply behaves if both things don't exist or aren't relevant. Follow this line to its conclusion and you wind up with a tyrannical coward who sees the future he envisioned slowly collapsing as the Horde fractures from mismanagement and broken ties with its client-races.

[Trassk]

YES!

He was the "Hero without a way" in BC, I liked him a lot. I hate how they turned him into a monster/ villian, I want his old "I need a reason to lead/battle" from Nagrand back

oh what you mean the whiny little bitch who couldn't even lead his clan in nagrand well they were captured by orges, because he spent his days crying into a fire?

[Duito]

I doubt he is going to die...I just think he is going to be wounded in critical condition do to the extraction of The Sha, I believe Vol'jin would want to kill him right away but being stopped by Thrall (I kinda of sort of, want him to kick the bucket)

will see how this plays out

[Mikehuntz]

What if I told you Garrosh will be taken away by the Burning Legion for future events? Now that would be a twist in every sense

[Trassk]

I doubt he is going to die...I just think he is going to be wounded in critical condition do to the extraction of The Sha, I believe Vol'jin would want to kill him right away but being stopped by Thrall (I kinda of sort of, want him to kick the bucket)

will see how this plays out

You know... when I now see people say 'I think he will survive and carry on', i look at him as the corrupted old god mutated hulking mass, like something from a resident evil game, and.. I just laugh.

[Venant]

they know they don't like Garrosh, because he is not Thrall, and he killed Cairne.

In conclusion, Garrosh was a failed experiment to create a more complex character in an enviroment that normally does not allow it, and a failed one. And then, well, turned into a bad dragon to erase him once and for all from WoW. In a simple story with the good guys and the bad guys, where every piece of story you need to know is handed right to you. Is it good or is it bad? I guess it's good, thats how MMOs work. But shame this had to happen to one of my favourite characters.

I would say that Garrosh is one of the few 'realistic' characters in a world so brutal that is has become common practice to commit mass murder in exchange for new pieces of clothing. Thrall is incredibly boring because he is an immortal superman with an impervious character shield who seems to be completely disconnected from the warcraft universe.

[Sills]

I will not be sad for one second. I will be more than thrilled to purge Azeroth of his foulness.

[Deleted]

well they aren't....he isn't corrupted.....an old god empowers him....he doesn't "corrupt" him in the sense you are trying to portray but nice try.....empowerment does not equal corruption....sorry

Nowhere does it say he'll still have full control over his own actions. You're just making assumptions.

And yes, I do think it's a waste of a perfectly good character if they decide to kill him off. I'd rather see him lead against the Burning Legion as the most powerful uncorrupted Orc there is, I always saw that as his destiny. To take revenge for the demonic corruption of his race and to strive beyond the legacy of his father. Let him be the commander he wanted to be.

What was the reason to retcon the son of Grom Hellscream into existance only to do the storyline over again with his son, but this time less fulfilling for the fans? They might as well have retconned a son of Gul'dan into existance or let him be resurrected somehow if they wanted a true bad Orc.

[Okacz]

You know... when I now see people say 'I think he will survive and carry on', i look at him as the corrupted old god mutated hulking mass, like something from a resident evil game, and.. I just laugh.

I'm sure it's just something you can walk off. Just some goo and additional eyes, nothing looks permanent here.

[Deleted]

You know... when I now see people say 'I think he will survive and carry on', i look at him as the corrupted old god mutated hulking mass, like something from a resident evil game, and.. I just laugh.

Grom the Chaos Orc got redeemed as well, there is always a chance.

[Polygons]

Only for a little bit now that he can make faces at me

[Trassk]

Grom the Chaos Orc got redeemed as well, there is always a chance.

The difference there. Grom was corrupted because he was manipulated and tricked into it. Garrosh is doing what he's doing in full control of the corruption, he wants power to kill his enemies.

[Sacromental]

Seems to me the Story of Garrosh wants to highlight that the Horde and the Orcs have the potential to commit "Evil" acts that isn't a driect result of Demon's Blood.

Garrosh did not drink the blood, yet his actions seem heavily influenced by a sense of Horde i.e. Blackhammer's Horde that did and were effected by the Demon Blood. Garrosh's use of the Old God, albeit a fallen old god whose more suseptable to control I think (guessing there), is a method to empower his disenfranchised people; the Orc; his view of superority comes from 1) His people's numbers (so they were able to commit men to every major conflict; Ahn'Qiraj, Onyxia/Nefarian/Ragnaros, Outland Campeign, and Northrend Campaign, (yes I know two of those were before Garroh's time but I think he knows how to listen to stories; Thralll prob told him). 2) Superior Fighting skills over the other Horde races in Garrosh's eyes (he admits the Tauran's are of comparable skill) and 3) a desire to empower the rest of his race after he felt a similiar disempowerment on Draenor.

Are their contradictions in Garrosh's story yes, He shouldn't be following the model of the old Horde (True Horde?) it doesn't fit with his past; but his decent into the use of a power beyond his direct control is and always was inevitable. Garrosh does not understand the definition of Thrall's Horde - empowerment of the other "races" of Azeroth - Tauran, Undead, Darkspear - they wern't brought in for their military prowess - they brought in by necessity and the definition of Horde that is not shared by Garrosh.

For Garrosh the definition of Horde "Is an Orc Horde reminacent of Draenor" which isn't the same as Thrall's Horde - put the blame on Green Jesus - none of this would have happend if he didn't call it the Horde!

I'm not sad to see Garrosh going - it is necessary to show that the Orc can be bad outside the influence of Demon's Blood and that's what the stroy is trying to show atm - heck it's even tryiong to show that a person can be "evil" outside the influence of anything (Arthas' was Burning Legion > Kal'Thuzad > Lich King), Deathwing was Old God's) so it's liberating to see that a WOW char can be bad and in control of their actions beyond one of these influences.

[Gorefiend 1]

The difference there. Grom was corrupted because he was manipulated and tricked into it. Garrosh is doing what he's doing in full control of the corruption, he wants power to kill his enemies.

Grom was not manipulated. I like Grom as a character, but he a genocidal bloodthirsty maniac. You can read Rise of the Horde if you disagree. He damned himself not once, -twice-. Didn't Grom drink Mannorath's blood again to destroy the Night Elves who were backed by Cenarius? Yes. He was losing, and drank the blood to beat them.

Stop sugar-coating Grom. He redeemed the Orcs, but he was selfish. "I have redeemed myself." were his last words. Selfish to the end. Seems like the apple does not fall far from the tree.

[checking facts]

IMHO, his death will be a very happy event

[Trassk]

Are their contradictions in Garrosh's story yes, He shouldn't be following the model of the old Horde (True Horde?) it doesn't fit with his past; but his decent into the use of a power beyond his direct control is and always was inevitable. Garrosh does not understand the definition of Thrall's Horde - empowerment of the other "races" of Azeroth - Tauran, Undead, Darkspear - they wern't brought in for their military prowess - they brought in by necessity and the definition of Horde that is not shared by Garrosh.

And this is it, this is the major thing that people, the garrosh fans, simply Do Not Get. They don't understand the difference and why what Garrosh wanted for 'the horde', wasn't the horde itself, it was just his plan for absolute orcish rule, all the other races were, as you say, nothing to him, he didn't see any of them as part of his horde, other then tools.

This is something that happened in the old horde too, when the orcs of the old horde had no more draenei to kill, they started killing each other, deciding on who was weakest. This is something Garrosh now follows, and why the values of the true horde are not his, but that of the other horde races now standing against him.

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Grom was not manipulated. I like Grom as a character, but he a genocidal bloodthirsty maniac. You can read Rise of the Horde if you disagree. He damned himself not once, -twice-. Didn't Grom drink Mannorath's blood again to destroy the Night Elves who were backed by Cenarius? Yes. He was losing, and drank the blood to beat them.

Stop sugar-coating Grom. He redeemed the Orcs, but he was selfish. "I have redeemed myself." were his last words. Selfish to the end. Seems like the apple does not fall far from the tree.

I'm not sugar coating Grom. but in comparisons to Garrosh he was better. At least in his old age began to learn certain lessons of his past mitakes, if you read lord of the clans you'd know that.

[Zulkhan]

Seems to me the Story of Garrosh wants to highlight that the Horde and the Orcs have the potential to commit "Evil" acts that isn't a driect result of Demon's Blood.

In this game has been showed various times that a lot of races are able of doing evil things without any kind of "mind-fucked" excuse. No reason for which the orcs should have be an exception, by this point of view. Indeed the whole storyline with Garrosh being the Warchief and commanding the Horde made feel it a bit "asphyxiating" for the Horde players, but well, that's it.

but OT

I'm definetily more curious than happy or sad.

[Duito]

You know... when I now see people say 'I think he will survive and carry on', i look at him as the corrupted old god mutated hulking mass, like something from a resident evil game, and.. I just laugh.

..He will live, Thrall will die, nobody will see that coming for even fathom that happening because them devs' love Thrall

[RicardoZ]

I don't care. We haven't felt guilty about any of the other thousands of mobs we've killed in the last 9 years, why start now? I'm sure they all have sob stories about how it's not their fault and they were corrupted and they were just defending their people and bla bla bla...screw 'em.