So What Does The Alliance Want?

[Defengar]

The orcs trapped on Azeroth had nothing to do with Ner'zhul going crazy and opening the portals that destroyed their homeworld. They weren't even part of the same Horde.

Up until he left them at the portal they were.

[Aquamonkey]

Up until he left them at the portal they were.

No. They were completely separate Hordes. The Horde on Azeroth was from the first invasion under Blackhand/Gul'dan, then Doomhammer. They were defeated and captured. The Dark Portal was destroyed.

2 years later, on Draenor, Ner'zhul formed the Orcish Horde of Draenor and became its warchief. All the orcs in this new Horde were from clans that remained on Draenor. The entire purpose of this Horde was to open portals to other worlds for conquest. They opened up the Dark Portal again to get the artifacts they needed to do it. The orcs trapped on Azeroth had nothing to do with them.

[khalltusk]

No. They were completely separate Hordes. The Horde on Azeroth was from the first invasion under Blackhand/Gul'dan, then Doomhammer. They were defeated and captured. The Dark Portal was destroyed.

2 years later, on Draenor, Ner'zhul formed the Orcish Horde of Draenor and became its warchief. All the orcs in this new Horde were from clans that remained on Draenor. The orcs trapped on Azeroth had nothing to do with them.

Think the warsong and maybe a few others were the only ones around un captured. The rest were on draenor and those were the ones Gul'dan used to start the dark portal conflict with. Other than that the majority of the horde were in camps under guard.

[Verdugo]

I don't see how the Horde could win against the Alliance in a prolonged total war unless the Forsaken employed massive amounts of new plague, which would be a really bad idea because it would probably get the dragon flights involved against them.

Dragonflights are disbanded and their founders weakened.

Dragons are hardly a threat.

[Sandrox]

Dragonflights are disbanded and their founders weakened.

Dragons are hardly a threat.

Isnt it only the blue dragonflight that disbanded? Dragons dont usually deal with mortal stuff though.

[Deleted]

Two of it's races want more stepladders.

[Deleted]

Dragonflights are disbanded and their founders weakened.

Dragons are hardly a threat.

Oh really now? I mean they might be mortals now but they are still quite powerfull.
Also, if forsaken start using the Plague en masse, the Argent crusade will be pissed off aswell, and they know full well how to deal with undead.

[ykza]

The alliance, like the Union would lose at first and take a long time to get rolling, but once they did, the Horde would have fallen.

The Black prince, while knowlegable, does not have Wowpedia at his fingertips.

Yes because the Wowpedia, written by players and users who have nothing to do with the actual writers, know more than a character who shows to be very knowledgeable and is written by the actual writers, right?

[Deleted]

Wrathion seems extremely knowledgeable considering he's two years old.

[Verdugo]

and they know full well how to deal with undead.

They dont, Ebon Blade had to dig them out of the mess every time.

[Deleted]

Yes because the Wowpedia, written by players and users who have nothing to do with the actual writers, know more than a character who shows to be very knowledgeable and is written by the actual writers, right?

Some fans know more lore than all the writers combined and can whoop their ass of in a lore contest.
Remember the Red Shirt guy that humiliated WoW's writers so bad they put a NPC for him in the game?

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They dont, Ebon Blade had to dig them out of the mess every time.

I dont think even the Ebon blade is being happy with sylvanas, They don't want annother lich queen, plus she kidnapped one of their top knights and presumably brainwashed him.

[Verdugo]

I dont think even the Ebon blade is being happy with sylvanas, They don't want annother lich queen, plus she kidnapped one of their top knights and presumably brainwashed him.

Only grudge ebon blade has with undead was with Lich King personaly. Only Death Knights willing to stand against Sylvanas are those that are part of the Alliance and the idealistic ones.

Also, Koltira is far from top death knights, he just had too much spotlight. Actualy, they are propably glad he is gone.

[Vvulf]

Hah, our new battlecry: "FOR THE HOLE!!!"

^^ This guy wins the internetz.

[Colonel Sandor]

Dragonflights are disbanded and their founders weakened.

Dragons are hardly a threat.

Dragons are still very powerful.

[Verdugo]

Dragons are still very powerful.

So powerfull that they get slaughtered by orc ambush? While guarding powerfull artifact?

[Colonel Sandor]

So powerfull that they get slaughtered by orc ambush? While guarding powerfull artifact?

Only the Aspects have had their power taken, and they are still very powerful. Nothings changed but the Aspects.

They decided not to disband the Wyrmrest Accord and will now work to help the world.

[rowaasr13]

Varian got himself and his troops into the heart of UC under the flag of cooperation, then attacked with the intention of wiping out the Horde... How is that not a backstab?

Did you just pull this "fact" from your avatar or you can quote lore source for that?

[Aquamonkey]

Did you just pull this "fact" from your avatar or you can quote lore source for that?

They were still under a truce and had diplomatic relations despite Wrathgate. Varian knew that Putress was a traitor that betrayed the Horde as much as the Alliance. After Thrall told Varian what was happening and that the Horde was about to attack UC to punish Putress, Varian decides to go to UC himself to bring Putress to justice. Once in UC, Varian saw that the Horde were also there fighting to retake it from the traitors. After defeating Putress, Varian heard Thrall's voice in the Throne Room and charged in to attack him and wipe out the Horde (Varian broke the truce at this point). All the evidence for the betrayal and the human experiments pointed to the Putress, a Forsaken traitor, but Varian immediately jumped to orcs being evil and started citing his encounters with orcs that had nothing to do with the current situation.

Source: Follow the questline.

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Only the Aspects have had their power taken, and they are still very powerful. Nothings changed but the Aspects.

They decided not to disband the Wyrmrest Accord and will now work to help the world.

Q. In the Cataclysm finale, the Dragon Aspects became mortals. But are they still powerful dragons that just lost the blessing of the Titans?
Yes. For example, the bronze dragons can still travel through time, but they are no longer able to control the flow of time. The blue dragons are still powerful mages, but no longer control the magic of Azeroth. Therefore, in Age of Mortals, mortals themselves need to take over what used to be the responsibility of the Aspects. (Source)

[kendro1200]

I'm going to go with Character Development. Still surprised Gnome Guy turns up in Siege, or even why. Velen and Greymane are nowhere so far, and Velen was scrapped for 5.2. Also, what happened to the Trials of the High King? As that supposed to be these Scenarios? 5.1 was the closest they've been to giving me faction pride, but having Darnassus raided and Tyrande being daft didn't help it much. Just hoping 5.4 has our Characters developed. Was never going to take Orgrimmar, as much as I wish Varian or someone would kill Thrall, its something that Blizzard won't let happen.

A recent story dev interview (in May I think?) revealed that the "faction pride" moment we were promised last Blizzcon in MoP got pushed off to another expansion, because the story team became more interested in fleshing out the conflict within the Horde rather than just have Garrosh being a power crazed jerk that needed to be killed. It really shows since a lot of the Alliance story has been more word of mouth stuff, we're told things have happened rather than actually do things, which meant the story was there, but no one was interested in actually putting it into gameplay.

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That's your faction pride right there. http://www.vg247.com/2011/10/27/wow-...-presentation/