Demands of the Alliance if they win ?

[Haytham]

Alliance has won the war,the Horde is now weaker.

You see that every time on these forums. Truth is that nobody knows what the ending is so far and anything can happen.

But let's say Blizz makes it so the Alliance does win,obviously they wont be killing the horde races because of the gameplay purpose and tbh i don't see some alliance leaders agreeing on this kind of decission either.

So what would the Alliance demand from a defeated Horde ? Make your list

[Faroth]

Alliance "wins", they demand withdrawl from places like Ashenvale, Horde will do so in lore, but not in game.

The Horde will keep their cities, reform their power structure, and appoint a new Warchief or War Council or whatever and things will go on as though the Horde didn't have a defeat in the first place.

Next expansion it will be status quo with Horde and Alliance equal in terms of strength/power but uniting against a common enemy.

These are my predictions.

[Deleted]

well they Alliance doesnt actually win in the end, that much is obvious from the Wrathion Audio.
They could have won when the rebellion was over, but it seems Varian decides not too.
and it seems with that decision there isn't much to be demanded left.

Beside if he would have made demands it would require loads and loads of reworked zones too reflect this and they ain't gonna do this.
cause last time they redid a lot of zones their end-game production suffered from it and i don't (and it seems lots of others) don't want that too happen agian.

[wooootles]

-Continue where they left off pre-WotLK---fixing the Ashenvale deal and trade resources with the Horde (lumber <-> hide)
-Keep tighter leash on Sylvanas
-Find and deal with Thalen and the rest of the rogue (not the class) belfs that sided with Garrosh if the Raid and/or Scenarios in 5.4 don't deal with them

[Zaelsino]

Kosak mentioned in the last dev Q&A thing that the Horde would likely pull out of places like Ashenvale, but that it wouldn't be seen in-game because the conflict there is the entire point of the leveling zone. I imagine the same will be true of other Alliance territories, like Gilneas (albeit it would be cooler for worgen to properly retake it).

Lordaeron is the big one though. I somehow don't see Sylvanas shrugging her shoulders and abandoning it.

[Deleted]

obviously they wont be killing the horde races because of the gameplay purpose and tbh i don't see some alliance leaders agreeing on this kind of decission either.

Not a problem of agreeing or not, Alliance people don't want to genocide Horde races. The only things the Alliance want are :
- Retribution and justice for Theramore (which wasn't only a military camp as some people said)
- Horde leaving the contested territories (Lordaeron, Ashenvale mostly)

Thing is, Horde people want the same thing, hence the war raging since some orcs set foot in the swamp of sorrows.

If Alliance wins, I'd probably want Ashenvale cleared (can't stomach what happened to it T_T) and Gilneas given back to Gilneans.

[Scummer]

Land will be demilitarised to within reason (to defend and local hostilities in X area eg.Quillboar etc) with both factions returning appropriate land to the faction who initially held and claimed it before the war.
Orcs can be allowed to harvest lumber in Ashenvale but will be presided over by Cenarion Circle Druids to make sure they do not harm the land and disrespect it.
Forsaken Blight is to be banned and this time enforced. The Val'kyr are to be disbanded so that Necromancy can no longer be used by the Forsaken. Kor'korn shall remain in Undercity.

Like Zael noted with Kosak's answer during the April Q&A this type of arrangement will likely happen with the Horde focusing on rebuilding itself rather than concerning itself with disputed land.

I would also like to see the seeds of such post-war peace agreements made after Garrosh is dead. I feel it would be wrong for the Alliance to go all the way to Orgrimmar and not guarantee themselves peace from further conflict.

[Deleted]

Kosak mentioned in the last dev Q&A thing that the Horde would likely pull out of places like Ashenvale, but that it wouldn't be seen in-game because the conflict there is the entire point of the leveling zone. I imagine the same will be true of other Alliance territories, like Gilneas (albeit it would be cooler for worgen to properly retake it).

Lordaeron is the big one though. I somehow don't see Sylvanas shrugging her shoulders and abandoning it.

Lordaeron never was Alliance territory to begin with since pretty much most Forsaken are former humans of Lordaeron. The kingdom of Lordaeron ended when Arthas slaughtered his father and his subjects. Neither Stormwind or any other Alliance faction has claim on that to tbh. Once again the same issue which Garithos failed to realise when he told the Forsaken to get out: the Forsaken where already home and Sylvanas was wise enough to know that if she didn't finish right there right now it would only prolong the inevitable. Also, where were they supposed to be going to begin with.

[Acepox]

To those who claim demands can't be reflected in-game cause of gameplay: Theramore was destroyed and it didn't affect gameplay.

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Lordaeron never was Alliance territory to begin with since pretty much most Forsaken are former humans of Lordaeron. The kingdom of Lordaeron ended when Arthas slaughtered his father and his subjects. Neither Stormwind or any other Alliance faction has claim on that to tbh. Once again the same issue which Garithos failed to realise when he told the Forsaken to get out: the Forsaken where already home and Sylvanas was wise enough to know that if she didn't finish right there right now it would only prolong the inevitable. Also, where were they supposed to be going to begin with.

Yeah... right. We're talking about Southern Lordaeron(Gilneas, Hillsbrad, Arathi, South-Western Plaguelands-which are actually not plagued anymore-)

[Zaelsino]

Lordaeron never was Alliance territory to begin with since pretty much most Forsaken are former humans of Lordaeron. The kingdom of Lordaeron ended when Arthas slaughtered his father and his subjects. Neither Stormwind or any other Alliance faction has claim on that to tbh. Once again the same issue which Garithos failed to realise when he told the Forsaken to get out: the Forsaken where already home and Sylvanas was wise enough to know that if she didn't finish right there right now it would only prolong the inevitable. Also, where were they supposed to be going to begin with.

That's the thing though, the Alliance doesn't recognize the Forsaken as legitimate; fighting the Alliance in Lordaeron was a big part of the Forsaken starting experience. In fact, it was... pretty much all of it. Whether the Alliance is right or wrong isn't really the issue; if the Horde is withdrawing from territory the Alliance claims as its own, then there's a good chance that they'll demand Lordaeron back either way.

How would Sylvanas react to that? Not kindly, IMO.

[Northem]

Do you really want a list of what the Alliance wants/needs?

In brief and in broad strokes we demand:

• The Kingdom of Kul Tiras with his powerful naval fleet commanded by his Lord Admiral Tandred Proudmoore
• The kingdom of Stromgarde with the return of Danath Trollbane to stop the Forsaken advance
• All the exiled high elves reunited and led by Alleria Windrunner being an important part of the Alliance (and the High Elves as a playable race)
• Turalyon's return and the restoration of the Order of the Silver Hand headed by him. Making the paladins the representative class of the Alliance and Turalyon their champion
• The apparition of Queen Calia and her Scarlet Dawn to fight for reclaim Lordaeron
• Greater involvement of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran in the affairs of the Alliance, landing Dalaran over the Theramore ruins
• More personality and self-sufficiency for all the non-human races, unlinking them somewhat from the Stormwind humans (Varian) making them less human dependent (specially the Nigh Elves) and giving them a greater role and prominence (for example making the Night Elves recover Ashenvale)
• Related to the previous point, more lore for all races, not just for the humans of Stormwind, with an emphasis on the forgotten races (gnomes, draenei, etc)
• Reclaiming the Kingdom of Gilneas for their legitimate owners, which are not mascots of the night elves. Greymane City as a new fully capital city for the Alliance
• Reconstruction of the district destroyed by Deathwing in Stormwind (perhaps making a elven district as "capital" for the Quel'dorei)
• Making gnomes having finally have a decent capital: conquer Gnomeregan or re-found it elsewhere (a flyer technological robo-city for example)
• Expel the Dark Iron dwarves of the Alliance or at least create some conflicts with them. They have been a treacherous and dark race and an enemy of the other dwarf clans for generations, thus they can not be trusted of day to the next
• ...

What else can you think of?

[Deleted]

Alliance "wins", they demand withdrawl from places like Ashenvale, Horde will do so in lore, but not in game.

The Horde will keep their cities, reform their power structure, and appoint a new Warchief or War Council or whatever and things will go on as though the Horde didn't have a defeat in the first place.

Next expansion it will be status quo with Horde and Alliance equal in terms of strength/power but uniting against a common enemy.

These are my predictions.

Theramore back and withdraw from Gilneas, Ashenvale, Forsaken would probably keep northern Lordaeron and thats about it.

[Deleted]

The horde have no say over forsaken territories, IF they think they do they will quickly see themself a faction short and a foe richer.

[Arrashi]

This video shows varian and his "demand" to horde leaders. Something tells me, it won't end well....

[Florena]

What I would want ti see demanded of the Horde:

1. All horde forces pulled out of ashenvale.
2. The Horde to withdraw from Gilneas, or to withdraw their offensies against Gilneas, depending on who actually owns the place at the moment in lore. It's confusing.
3. All Forsaken forces are to withdraw from the Hinterlands and Arathi Highlands. No Forsaken are to pass beyond the Thoradin Wall.
4. Thrall has to eat dirt infront of all of the Alliance leaders.
5. The new Warchief must put on a pink tutu and perform a ballerina dance for the Alliance army.
6. The Goblins must admit Gnomes are better engineers.

The last three are jokes of course, but feel the first three would be reasonable demands.

[Acepox]

Do you really want a list of what the Alliance wants/needs?

In brief and in broad strokes we demand:

• The Kingdom of Kul Tiras with his powerful naval fleet commanded by his Lord Admiral Tandred Proudmoore
• The kingdom of Stromgarde with the return of Danath Trollbane to stop the Forsaken advance
• All the exiled high elves reunited and led by Alleria Windrunner being an important part of the Alliance (and the High Elves as a playable race)
• Turalyon's return and the restoration of the Order of the Silver Hand headed by him. Making the paladins the representative class of the Alliance and Turalyon their champion
• The apparition of Queen Calia and her Scarlet Dawn to fight for reclaim Lordaeron
• Greater involvement of the Kirin Tor and Dalaran in the affairs of the Alliance, landing Dalaran over the Theramore ruins
• More personality and self-sufficiency for all the non-human races, unlinking them somewhat from the Stormwind humans (Varian) making them less human dependent (specially the Nigh Elves) and giving them a greater role and prominence (for example making the Night Elves recover Ashenvale)
• Related to the previous point, more lore for all races, not just for the humans of Stormwind, with an emphasis on the forgotten races (gnomes, draenei, etc)
• Reclaiming the Kingdom of Gilneas for their legitimate owners, which are not mascots of the night elves. Greymane City as a new fully capital city for the Alliance
• Reconstruction of the district destroyed by Deathwing in Stormwind (perhaps making a elven district as "capital" for the Quel'dorei)
• Making gnomes having finally have a decent capital: conquer Gnomeregan or re-found it elsewhere (a flyer technological robo-city for example)
• Expel the Dark Iron dwarves of the Alliance or at least create some conflicts with them. They have been a treacherous and dark race and an enemy of the other dwarf clans for generations, thus they can not be trusted of day to the next
• ...

What else can you think of?

Huh... you'll have to find something great for the Horde too cause you've listed atleast 4 new capital cities for the Alliance.

Edit; And no, I love the Dark Irons. I'd wish to see the Blackrocks and the Dark Irons fully dedicated to the Horde and Alliance respectively, and both factions would send troops in BS/SG to back up their new allies.

[wych]

Withdraw from Ashenvale, guarantees of no more use of the plague, and maybe parts of Lordaeron.

I can imagine Thrall agreeing to give away some of Sylvanas' land causing the start of her turn

[Deleted]

Gtfo the fuck out of the Arathi Highlands and let the Alliance rebuild Stromgarde and Thoradin's Wall, return Gilneas to it's former glory, get out of Hillsbrad, Silverpine Forest, Hinterlands, Eastern and Western Plaguelands, and maybe Ashenvale. That's really all I care about.

[Acepox]

Ah! Like if Sylvanas would actually listen. At the time we talk, the Kor'kron overseers have been slain and her apothecaries are experimenting New Plagues and mass producing them.

[Drilnos]

Gtfo the fuck out of the Arathi Highlands and let the Alliance rebuild Stromgarde and Thoradin's Wall, return Gilneas to it's former glory, get out of Hillsbrad, Silverpine Forest, Hinterlands, Eastern and Western Plaguelands, and maybe Ashenvale. That's really all I care about.

How is a Forsaken or a Blood Elf player supposed to level like this? Seriously. Two Horde races call Northern EK home and they can't even leave their starting zones. And if Ashenvale turns red for the Horde, how are they supposed to get into Felwood, Winterspring and Moonglade? And what, pray tell, are Alliance players going to do in these zones while they're leveling? Shoo boars out of cabbage patches?