600 mastery rating = 1 point of mastery. Everyone has 8 base points, which is the 12%. 1.5*8=12.
600 mastery rating = 1 point of mastery. Everyone has 8 base points, which is the 12%. 1.5*8=12.
Still wondering why I play this game.
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First big question : What about Icy veins glyph and Icc ???
-- create 1 Icc by mini-bolt
or
-- sum all 3 mini-bolt then add it as an Icc
It is incorrect
"So I am still doing my math wrong, the 82.51 I have is including the base. Sooo right now it'd be 62% of my frostbolt, FFB and water bolt. Still not bad. 130% would be quite ridiculous, however they could always buff it to 2% per 1 point"
is correct.
And the mini frost bolts prob create individual ones most likely.
I think the triple IL/FFB's count as 3 spells so it would just generate 3 Icicles. It's going to look impressive that's for sure.
I think overall the mastery change is just to fix pvp more then anything in its current state.
We'll have to wait and see if we can now go for mastery or int after the 15,697 haste breakpoint.
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I for myself like the new mastery, because it is not just a plain damage increase. If this is tuned correctly and doesn't scale horribly I'm really looking forward to this This again shows me that I should stack more mastery on my gear.
My bad. I should have said it changes pvp in a way to allow pve to be fixed.
It might not be that big of a burst nerf if you can generate 5 strong icicles using frostbolt and BF before you use deep freeze.
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You're not the only one who wants frost at the top. The fire nerfs helped expose people to frost as a viable spec but it really needs a tier on top to properly make people consider it a real pve spec.
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Omg mage changes <3
From first view mastery change looks like slight nerf than buff (16% base -> 12% and no effect on Lance, but Frostbolt), but huge Lance buff really makes me smile
Edit: I forgot to take into account -15% damage to frostbolt due to debuff change :\
Some napkin math from me aswell: Take my log from Megaera: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=8651&e=9074 I took Megaera because we can say this fight is rougly static.
Imagine I did just 100 damage, so 19,4 is Frostbolt, 14,1 is Lance and 12,8 FFB. My Welly also did 12,73 damage according to log. And 59,03 in total from this spells.
1) Imagine also I have no mastery, only base.
Lets remove old mastery and add new one:
Frostbolt: (19,4 -15%) + 12% = 18,89
Lance: 14,1 - 16% = 12,155 (from this point and below -X% value does not mean 100(100%)-14%=84, but rather 100(114%)-14%=87,72 - I substract mastery value)
FFB: (12,8 - 16%) + 12% = 12,36
Welly: (12,73 - 16%) + 12% = 12,29
So 55,69 total - damage nerf. But lets take into account Lance buff: 18,89 + 12,155 * 1,29 + 12,36 + 12,29 = 59,22 - very slight damage increase.
2) Lets count again with my real level of mastery which is ~31% That meats old mastery = 31% and new one is 27% New mastery is 3\4 from old one and this is 23,25%
Frostbolt: (19,4 - 15%) + 23,25% = 20,79
Ice Lance: 14,1 - 31% = 10,76
FFB: (12,8 - 31%) + 23,25% = 12,04
Welly: (12,73 - 31%) + 23,25% = 11,98
55,57 in total - already damage increase, and if we take into account Lance buff this will be 58,69 or ~3,7 total dps increase. ffs thats nerf :\
More mastery = more dps increase, since Frostbolt stays main portion of our damage on any fight.
There is only thing that bothering me - 5 charges of Icicles. With metagem proc or hero haste value can be rather high, so can it result we will gain 5 charges faster than spend it?
Edit: that means more mastery = less dps ? :-\ what the hell It seems every point of mastery provides less dps than previous one.
Ah Lhivera, much respect I have for him.
I remember reading and admiring his Frost mage PvE discussions back in The Burning Crusade. And here we are now many years later - still reading on with admiration and respect.
I like the sound of the new mastery, sounds more fun than the original. (Which might sound trivial - but currently I think the mage mage class is lacking fun factor in many ways compared to others - and it needs every bit of help it can get.)
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After the initial read i thought this basicly would be a overloaded Icelance when charged up. That could have been interesting together with Shatter. A 5 second dot/channel which cant crit is alot less interesting imo. Frost Ignite as someone mentioned.
If they could remove the water ele from the mastery and make the Icicle able to crit (but the with static charges ) so at least you could shatter the Icicles, i would personally like it more.
At any time i would prefere the live Frostburn though - live frostburn is very intuitive, fun and in pvp it has the good quality of rewarding a proper setup for the mage and can be countered by the targets. If only it where more consistent in the various game environments
Still wondering why I play this game.
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The IV glyph won't reduce our dps.
If it doesn't create 3 icicles the only other option I can think of is the game combining the 3 spells into 1 icicle to prevent visual clutter.
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