Hunter 5.4 Stat Priority

[Tehterokkar]

pretty sure i will be going CRIT > MASTERY > HASTE as BM come 5.4

BM will still want haste due to scaling with Blink Strikes is so good.

[Tehstool]

BM will still want haste due to scaling with Blink Strikes is so good.

It will be close for BM since we will barely have any Real PPM effects that scale with haste, but in the end it is basically between the best setup for both BM and SV. Haste seems like the winner.

[Deleted]

for BM haste should be better until we drop the set bonuses. After that, only the meta remains as RPPM effect affected by haste. I don't know if the cape procc will scale tho.

[Tehstool]

for BM haste should be better until we drop the set bonuses. After that, only the meta remains as RPPM effect affected by haste. I don't know if the cape procc will scale tho.

The cape proc scales. Haste should still be better than mastery for BM.

[Megabloks]

I don't think it's going to matter what stat priority you go, we are talking about hunters here. As soon as you get too much of one stat, or sacrifice too much of another, the values of them all change.

http://i.imgur.com/n7ctuS7.png

[Penguintamer]

Outta curiosity, are there any BiS lists out there yet?

[Arcanimus]

Wouldn't it be best to go for haste as BM for aoe fights? Since beast cleave cant crit, and that'll give the pet more cleaves.

This is poor logic. Beast Cleave can't crit for the same reason the shadow damage portion of Scourge Strike can't crit: It's dependent on the damage of another ability. If the attack that triggered Beast Cleave was a crit, it'll do more damage because of the crit, regardless of it "logging" as a crit or not. The only factor I'd ever consider worrying about for beast cleave is whether or not it ever double dips on Mastery, or a fight specific buff.

[Saoron]

Yea only meta + cloak being affected by haste in 5.4, haste will def not be the best stat.. but so long as BM still takes blink strikes, haste will still be strong.. so crit > haste > mastery for sure..

And since the specs are closer now, i'd def go SV for aoe fights.. unless it's burst aoe like nazgrim in the beginning and then single target.. then BM is better.. and also sha.. but the fights where adds are all spread out and or, not usually clumped together, SV will def be better.. So i'll stick with a crit > haste > mast build and switch between bm and sv..

Btw, for engineers, what would now by the optimal way to use gloves once you get the cd reduction trinket ? would it be worth it to still time it with BW while sacrificing 1 use in like a 4 min fight.. or would it be better to just macro it with KC and still get that extra use, just not stacked ?

[Valen]

I ran some numbers with some fake simcraft ilvl bumping:

BM 549 (current): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
BM 561 (normal t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
BM 574 (heroic t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
BM 580 (heroic wf t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html

SV 549 (current): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
SV 561 (normal t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
SV 574 (heroic t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
SV 580 (heroic wf t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html

Caveats: Gear was T15 gear scaled up. No legendary cloak. No new trinkets or set bonuses. The chosen ilvls were the base ilvl of the gear type plus 8 for fully upgraded. For BM, I still used Dire Beast (as it was marginally ahead of TotH, though it's very close).

For BM, the results are interesting. We'll hit T16 with all stats almost equal, but Haste slightly ahead. As we gear up, Crit will pass Haste briefly, but soon thereafter, Mastery will come out on top. We'll end the tier, though, with Haste back in charge. The differences, though, are never huge (~10% gap at the most), and likely attributable to hitting various inflection points in the curves of diminishing returns (ie, 1% more crit becomes less actual damage as you have more crit). Specific gear and set bonuses will very likely dominate this analysis, though.

For SV, we hit the tier with Crit winning by a huge margin. Especially once you remove Dire Beast, which scales with Haste, SV has even less interest in the stat. Crit being top never changes.

Once again, this is just a quick test to see how we'll scale in the new mechanics, not with the new gear. Simcraft may also have bugs. I may also be a filthy liar. I consider these results advisory only and not for comparison against other classes, just between Hunter specs.

[Sydarm]

I ran some numbers with some fake simcraft ilvl bumping:

BM 549 (current): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
BM 561 (normal t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
BM 574 (heroic t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
BM 580 (heroic wf t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html

SV 549 (current): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
SV 561 (normal t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
SV 574 (heroic t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html
SV 580 (heroic wf t16): http://www.temerityofwindrunner.com/...fastscale.html

Caveats: Gear was T15 gear scaled up. No legendary cloak. No new trinkets or set bonuses. The chosen ilvls were the base ilvl of the gear type plus 8 for fully upgraded. For BM, I still used Dire Beast (as it was marginally ahead of TotH, though it's very close).

For BM, the results are interesting. We'll hit T16 with all stats almost equal, but Haste slightly ahead. As we gear up, Crit will pass Haste briefly, but soon thereafter, Mastery will come out on top. We'll end the tier, though, with Haste back in charge. The differences, though, are never huge (~10% gap at the most), and likely attributable to hitting various inflection points in the curves of diminishing returns (ie, 1% more crit becomes less actual damage as you have more crit). Specific gear and set bonuses will very likely dominate this analysis, though.

For SV, we hit the tier with Crit winning by a huge margin. Especially once you remove Dire Beast, which scales with Haste, SV has even less interest in the stat. Crit being top never changes.

Once again, this is just a quick test to see how we'll scale in the new mechanics, not with the new gear. Simcraft may also have bugs. I may also be a filthy liar. I consider these results advisory only and not for comparison against other classes, just between Hunter specs.

these are not practical.

[Valen]

these are not practical.

I agree. The question is how our stats scale, but the truth is, personal gearing makes a bigger difference. Trinkets can change prioritization, as can set bonuses. I plan on getting a full T16 profile and running it, but fundamentally every player should determine their own stat weights until very clear rules-of-thumb emerge (such as "haste when you get X RPPM trinkets" was for 5.2/5.3). Such consensus likely won't emerge until the tier is well underway.

[Tehstool]

Yea only meta + cloak being affected by haste in 5.4, haste will def not be the best stat.. but so long as BM still takes blink strikes, haste will still be strong.. so crit > haste > mastery for sure..

And since the specs are closer now, i'd def go SV for aoe fights.. unless it's burst aoe like nazgrim in the beginning and then single target.. then BM is better.. and also sha.. but the fights where adds are all spread out and or, not usually clumped together, SV will def be better.. So i'll stick with a crit > haste > mast build and switch between bm and sv..

Btw, for engineers, what would now by the optimal way to use gloves once you get the cd reduction trinket ? would it be worth it to still time it with BW while sacrificing 1 use in like a 4 min fight.. or would it be better to just macro it with KC and still get that extra use, just not stacked ?

Delaying either to the point where you lose a use on either is a huge loss. The bonus granted from stacking Bestial Wrath/Synapse Springs would have to be greater than losing one BW/Synapse Springs which is nowhere near that. Sure the agi is increased in value due to bestial wrath, just not to the point where it makes the agi more than double in value since bestial wrath is only 20% to your pet and 10% to you.

[Sydarm]

so................crit >- haste > mastery on 5.4 launch or after we get new trinkets?

[Tehstool]

so................crit >- haste > mastery on 5.4 launch or after we get new trinkets?

Probably right away.

[Sydarm]

so is it still crit >haste > mastery?

[Effinhunter]

so is it still crit >haste > mastery?

Yes. Still crit > haste > mastery.

[Sydarm]

So does Crit > Haste > Mastery apply to all specs?

[Deleted]

Well as far i`m familiar with incoming gear the question have to be not between crit and haste but between haste and mastery your gear have shitloads haste and crit and almost no mastery
Also i would use haste as prio till i still wear the current gear even w/o trinkets i still have 2 set 1 gem and possibly 1 cloak procs affected by it
When i get tr 16 like i say the gear is mainly haste and crit atleas the set parts
In the end gearing i will be like crit>mastery>haste i will play survival for sure and mastery becomes prety valiuble when you get shitloads of ES procs

[Valen]

As always, use simcraft to determine stat priorities based on your own gear. That said, for T15H, when 5.4 lands, the basic priority will be:

BM: Crit ~= Haste ~= Mastery (all about the same)
SV: Crit >> Haste >> Mastery

Once you get your legendary cloak, Haste may beat Crit very slightly for BM (but, again, it depends on your own gear).

For BM, stick with Dire Beast over TotH, at least for the time being. DB scales with BM Mastery and the nerf on AS's damage makes TotH less of the powerhouse it was in early PTR builds. For SV, TotH is a slight dps gain over Dire Beast (certainly for AOE). Re-evaluate this as well while you gear up.

[Tehstool]

As always, use simcraft to determine stat priorities based on your own gear. That said, for T15H, when 5.4 lands, the basic priority will be:

BM: Crit ~= Haste ~= Mastery (all about the same)
SV: Crit >> Haste >> Mastery

Once you get your legendary cloak, Haste may beat Crit very slightly for BM (but, again, it depends on your own gear).

For BM, stick with Dire Beast over TotH, at least for the time being. DB scales with BM Mastery and the nerf on AS's damage makes TotH less of the powerhouse it was in early PTR builds. For SV, TotH is a slight dps gain over Dire Beast (certainly for AOE). Re-evaluate this as well while you gear up.

Also keep in mind hunters will most likely be SV for a number of fights in t16. Generally, reforging for a tiny slight gain for BM (that may or may not be there) wouldn't be worth hindering your SV performance.