Why do players hate Garrosh but like Sylvanas?

[Venziir]

Not all undead rot. Banshee is more spectral, so she's more ghostly than anything else, so it's hard to even say she's an animated corpse. More like a corporeal ghost. And we all know the scene in Ghostbusters when Ray has the dream...

A Banshee is a ghost yes, Sylvanas however is a corpse. Sometime after she was made a Banshee, she managed to find her mutilated corpse in the Undercity, and she used her abilities as a Banshee, to re-possess her own corpse.

That said - Sylvanas has style, she's cunning and evil - in the "good" way. Unlike Garrosh, who's a lumbering, moronic oaf.

[Combatbutler]

She cares a little, but her vengeance against Arthas was her sole purpose in life so that takes priority. And the BElves were pmuch fine by then point, despite Lor'themar's whining. They had kicked the Scourge out of Quel'thalas and had the Sunwell back.

Well many of their fighters were still in infirmaries, they had just waged civil war with Kael and the Legion. Quel'thalas was not really in a condition to help, but they had to.

[tubeamp]

Woaw that is plain stupid.

A person who get murdered is DEAD. that's it. The family suffers etc but the person does not suffer from trauma or depression...
When you get raped or nearly killed etc, you are living with that for the rest of your life. Some people will totally lose their mind because of that and won't live anymore but just survive.

And your comment about the feminist society is just wrong. Garrosh is dumb and ... dumb. Sylvanas had a great story. She fought for her people, the elves of silvermoon. Then she got killed, raised and had to go through heavy pain. Buuut she did not give up, she manages to get free of Arthas so that she could LEAD her new "people". So yeah. It has nothing to do with feminist society.

Full retard activated!

[aljung]

Very simple, we grew up with her the past 8 years, and she keept the forsaken strong. Unlike Garrosh, she do make bad things for the sake of her people, BUT in a different way. A way that dosent tear the Horde

This. Alone that you play as her in the W3 campaign.

[Aquamonkey]

Well many of their fighters were still in infirmaries, they had just waged civil war with Kael and the Legion. Quel'thalas was not really in a condition to help, but they had to.

But they still had Forsaken and Horde support/troops in their lands. Sylvanas merely threatened to take away Forsaken support and suggested that the Horde would do the same, she didn't actually take those things away. So even with some of their able fighters sent to Northrend, they weren't unprotected.

[Florena]

Source? When did this happen?

She does call the forsaken arrows in her quiver in her short story, but that's BEFORE her suicide after the LK's death. Towards the end of the story, she calls them 'a bulwark against the infinite,' ie a shield against being put back in the ground as I interpret it, abandoning her previous 'arrows in the quiver' mentality and refusing to waste her people. It's why you're sent to rescue forsaken that were captured or failed or something at some worgen town in silverpine, but Godfry or one of his minions has you kill them covertly instead I think. It also explains why she did the whole kdinapping/hostage plan, her people had the advantage against the GLF but it would have been a bloodier fictory, as I recall from the quests anyway I could be wrong.

[minteK917]

Tirion Fordring was literally the least evil person out there, but was one of the most well received characters in the game.

Thats because hes a male, anti hero female is an old and love archetype. Older than female protagonist even.

[Golden Yak]

Source? When did this happen?

That's not exactly how she feels - she won't sacrifice her forces needlessly, but will when needed. It is true that her only real interest now is preserving her own existence, and she'll keep the Forsaken strong in order to do that.

The army of undead that surrounded and protected the Dark Lady was still hers, body and soul. But they were no longer arrows in her quiver, not anymore. They were a bulwark against the infinite. They were to be used wisely, and no fool orc would squander them while she still walked the world of the living.

Excerpt from Edge of the Night

[Aquamonkey]

She does call the forsaken arrows in her quiver in her short story, but that's BEFORE her suicide after the LK's death. Towards the end of the story, she calls them 'a bulwark against the infinite,' ie a shield against being put back in the ground as I interpret it, abandoning her previous 'arrows in the quiver' mentality and refusing to waste her people. It's why you're sent to rescue forsaken that were captured or failed or something at some worgen town in silverpine, but Godfry or one of his minions has you kill them covertly instead I think. It also explains why she did the whole kdinapping/hostage plan, her people had the advantage against the GLF but it would have been a bloodier fictory, as I recall from the quests anyway I could be wrong.

Yea, but that doesn't back up Ivion's claims: "The problem is, now she absolutely can and will sacrifice them needlessly. So long as she has her Val'kyr she doesn't have to worry about them dying. She still describes them as arrows in her quiver. Their existence means nothing to her, they are in essence her slaves, though some are complacent."

Ivion is wrong. As you cited, she uses them carefully and they aren't to be sacrificed needlessly.

[Yarathir]

Might aswell invite bronies now, this thread turned into parade of various deviations.

Can you stop entering this thread only to tell people they are sexual deviants when there is no valid proof or even indication towards it?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Well I can tell you why I hate garrosh:

1. Terrible writing
2. Unrelatable character traits
3. Incomprehensible logic to his actions
4. Hideous character design ingame and in artwoks, to the point where it even lacks the "bulky coolness" of orcs completly.

I've seen porn that had better character development than garrosh. Sylvanas has a lot better backstory imho (the fact that it is intertwined with arthas one of the most popular badass characters in the wow universe is probably the reason for that) and the first time you met her ingame she wasn't a mopy bitch that cried because someone took her lolly and then for no apparent reason turns into hitler (that is simply to obvious at this point, srsly).

[Verdugo]

Can you stop entering this thread only to tell people they are sexual deviants when there is no valid proof or even indication towards it?

You're still a gimp.

Infracted.

[Deleted]

She does call the forsaken arrows in her quiver in her short story, but that's BEFORE her suicide after the LK's death. Towards the end of the story, she calls them 'a bulwark against the infinite,' ie a shield against being put back in the ground as I interpret it, abandoning her previous 'arrows in the quiver' mentality and refusing to waste her people. It's why you're sent to rescue forsaken that were captured or failed or something at some worgen town in silverpine, but Godfry or one of his minions has you kill them covertly instead I think. It also explains why she did the whole kdinapping/hostage plan, her people had the advantage against the GLF but it would have been a bloodier fictory, as I recall from the quests anyway I could be wrong.

Yup, that's what I was talking about. But now ppl think, that she will go back to her old ways. But I don't see any evidence or reason.

[Nero Duskwind]

So, why the difference? The only difference I can really see is style. Garrosh is loud, stompy, and angry. Not very subtle. Sylvanas is cruel and cold, but more quiet, subtle and calm. What do you guys think? Or maybe you hate Sylvanas too? Or like Garrosh?

Sylvanas Always has and continues to walk the very fine line between anti-hero and villain. Garrosh tramples his brutish feet all over that line.

[Pull My Finger]

The amount of passive-aggressive "because boobs" posts in here is absurd. People don't hate Sylvanas because she's not racist, her character arc is interesting (unlike power-hungry Garrosh), she's willing to die for her people and all of her subversive/"evil" actions are really just to help her people, rather than herself.

What are you talking about? Realizing that people like tits'n'ass is "passive-aggressive" now?

[Dopplegager]

Garrosh made the Horde feel like the Horde again, making me finally role a Horde toon for the first time ever.

[Zonas]

The thing between Sylvanas and Garrosh is that Sylvanas has an actual character and development. With the shit she's gone through, it wouldn't surprise me if she turned evil or harmed those close to her due to her ambitions.

Garrosh has NOTHING that Sylvanas has. He's just an awful character introduced in BC, was never expanded upon until the Wrath starting event at the end of the expansion. Even then, he was just an embodiment of the idiots who always preached about how there had to be more "War" in warcraft. (because there apparently wasn't enough of that already.)

There's zero real motivation or reason behind how he acts or how he gets away with what he does. He's the greatest example at how the writting has gone to shit in many areas in WoW.

[Deleted]

inshort:
Garrosh is fugly, dumb raging orc - thick headed assholish idiot.
Sylvanas on the other hand is cunning, strong female character. Although she is dead she's still hot (if lore didn't say she was dead, you'd have never known).

[Aeula]

Because Garrosh doesn't look like this

Is that worgen... No i don't even want to think about it.

[Spphy]

Why do I like Sylvanas?... Well you are asking a Champion of the Forsaken here <.< So I find it kinda obvious. I roleplay my characters and I'm an undead warrior right now. Just putting yourself into the mindset. If I was an orc I would probably support garrosh