Alliance badass needed

[Nerraw]

Raised by Sylvanas.

That'd be the turned table of the century.

[Deleted]

I've been an Alliance for a long time, my loyalties have been to the High King and to the High King only. And I too believed that Blizzard favored the Horde, that is until, I sat back in my chair, and pondered upon the question: ''What if the Alliance just isn't interesting?'' And thus, I abandoned the Alliance and swore my eternal allegiance to the Horde, Thrall's Horde, that is.

Roleplay nonesense aside though, below is a list of Alliance and Horde activity from Cata to MoP, which you can skip, of course:

Horde Gilneas invaded by Horde
Horde Silverwind Refuge captured by Horde
Horde Southshore destroyed by Horde
Horde Hillsbrad Fields destroyed by Horde
Alliance Gilneas liberated by Alliance
Alliance Forsaken Forward Command destroyed by Alliance
Alliance Fenris Keep conquered by Alliance
Horde Pyrewood Village destroyed by Horde
Horde Ambermill captured by Horde
Neutral Andorhal conquered by Alliance and Horde
Horde Andorhal conquered completely by Horde
Horde Azshara conquered by Horde
Horde Talrendis Point assaulted by Horde
Alliance Mor'shan Rampart assaulted by Alliance
Alliance Warsong Lumbercamp assulted by the Alliance
Alliance Shaol'Watha assulted by the Alliance
Alliance Forsaken attack on Quel'Danil reppled
Horde Northwatch Hold assaulted by Horde
Alliance Honor's Stand captured by Alliance
Alliance Camp Taurajo destroyed by Alliance
Alliance Stonard assaulted by Alliance
Horde Nethergarde Mines assaulted by Horde
Horde Bael'dun Keep destroyed by Horde
Horde Thal'darah Grove destroyed by Horde
Alliance Shatterspear Vale destroyed by Alliance
Horde Northwatch Hold captured by Horde
Horde Fort Triumph destroyed by Horde
Horde Theramore Isle destroyed by Horde
Alliance Northwatch Hold recaptured by Alliance
Horde Thunder Hold captured by Horde
Horde Strongarm Airstrip destroyed by Horde
Horde Scenic Overlook Camp destroyed by Horde
Alliance Garrosh'ar Point destroyed by Alliance
Alliance Twinspire Keep captured by Alliance
Alliance Temple of the Red Crane liberated by Alliance
Alliance Lion's Landing secured by Alliance
Horde Domination Point secured by Horde
Alliance Dalaran joins Alliance and expels Horde
Alliance Destruction of the Divine Bell
Darkspear Rebellion erupts in Echo Isles.
Razor Hill captured by Vol'jin and Thunder Bluff liberated from Garrosh.
Northern Barrens assaulted by the Alliance and the Darkspear Rebellion.
Heart of Y'Shaarj resurrected by the Pools of Power, Vale of Eternal Blossoms scarred, Sha of Pride unleashed.
Horde rebel and Alliance armada assaults the Bladefist Bay
Siege of Orgrimmar begins

As you can see, both are fairly equal. What the Alliance lacks, is character development, but how do you develop characters that are so mundane and generic? The game critic Yathzee touched upon this subject in one of his videos, he said, and I quote: ''The word "fantasy" is supposed to evoke any wondrous scenario the imagination can conjure, but for some reason we keep coming back to the elves and dwarves! Elves and dwarves, elves and dwarves, elves and motherfucking dwarves. Also wizards.'' See, the Alliance races have just gotten so painfully generic, almost every fantasy MMO I can think of has these races in them. And they are almost always the same: Humans are white knighty-bastards, dwarves are short bearded blacksmithy-bastards, elves are naturelovery-bastards, and gnomes are tinkery- sneakery-bastards, and these are just the norms we have begun to expect of these races, where as the races of the Horde are slightly more abstract and unique which gives developers more freedom when writing lore for them.

TLDR: Horde are innovative and give writers more space and flexibility when writing, Alliance, not so much, their races are used in every fantasy almost and are always the same, dwarves are always blacksmiths for example.

[Gelannerai]

To be fair, the Alliance already has several whupass characters. Whether they get the spotlight they need or not is a separate issue, but they are definitely there:

Varian Wrynn
Tyrande Whisperwind
Malfurion Stormrage
Shandris Feathermoon
Genn Greymane
Darius Crowley
Muradin Bronzebeard
Sky Admiral Rogers
Vereesa Windrunner
Jaina Proudmoore
Thassarian
Amber Kearnen
John J. Keeshan (even though he's a pop culture reference)

And by extension, I'd probably include the Skyfire.

[Sierra85]

dwarves are always blacksmiths for example.

the dwarves in the hobbit weren't overly blacksmithy. nor are all dwarves in wow BS.

[Lord Pebbleton]

The fact that he's dead kind of gets in the way.

..risen Garithos for president?

[Rosencrantz]

There was talk of Illidan being rezzed and rejoining the alliance. Honestly, that would massively help. c: Stormrage twins allied once more? Fuck yeah.

[Hitei]

Kill Tyrande and Malfurion, make Shandris and Maiev the Night Elf racial leaders.

[McNeil]

*Orgrimmar lies in ruins, the Horde is splitting apart, The Alliance is stronger then ever*

OMFG HORDE FAVORISM!!!!!!

.......?

[Deleted]

the dwarves in the hobbit weren't overly blacksmithy. nor are all dwarves in wow BS.

A generalization to prove a point. The dwarves Bilbo travelled with weren't, you're right, but in the clips that showed Erebor before Smaug attacked, they definitely were, wouldn't you agree? I distinctly remember the two giant hammer things coming down and smashing that piece of ore in that one dwarf's hand, which seems kind of blacksmithy to me. They also live in a mountain, and dig for ore, which also seems like a dwarwish stereotype.

[Hitei]

*Orgrimmar lies in ruins, the Horde is splitting apart, The Alliance is stronger then ever*

OMFG HORDE FAVORISM!!!!!!

.......?

Orgrimmar lies in ruins

Come talk to me when your city has a massive smoking crater in it for a couple years.

[Larynx]

Unrealistic decision hmm? Im pretty sure America was at war with japan, and it could have basically destroyed all of japan and taken it over... But did it kill every Japanese citizen that didn't swear allegiance to America's flag? Nope...

I forgot did the world that all attacked Germany together completely destroy the country's government and let some other nearby countries take its land because they had proved to be "evil" to basically the rest of the world. or did they take out the guys in command, and then let them go about their ways.

Why doesn't America just nuke every country that is small and doesn't have a chance to fight back. Is it because its inhumane? maybe also because if America lost all of its allies and a greater power attacked (in wows case the legion) while America (the alliance) had nobody else to help it fight it would just fall?

In the case of Japan, they overthrew the imperial rule and established a new governmental system, as well as completely demilitarized the country, and Japan lost control of all the conquered lands. All of this is still in effect today.

In the case of Germany, the country didn't even exist in any meaningful form for the next few decades. It lost control of all conquered territories, lost control of much of its pre-war territories, was completely demilitarized, and in fact was split into two separate puppet countries.

Both of those outcomes are exclusively from this list of possible demands I made from the post you quoted.

Something along the lines of withdrawing from pre-Cata Alliance territories (and giving up some of their present territories), demilitarizing, paying for Alliance war damage, putting in a puppet Warchief, something to that effect would have been much more realistic in an actual real world situation.

So, in short, stop talking. It's embarrassing.

[Zaelsino]

..risen Garithos for president?

Wouldn't he be like a stitched up humanoid abomination at this point?

Alliance Illidan would actually be pretty awesome now I think of it, but eh... Maiev was a better candidate.

[hrugner]

Looking at the character roster of WoW you think it needs more badasses? That's the primary character type, so much so that badass is boring and tedious.

[docterfreeze]

Garrosh dies at the end.

Not if I wipe the raid.

[Verdugo]

Wouldn't he be like a stitched up humanoid abomination at this point?

You cant stitch an abomination out of ghoul vomit.

[Deleted]

HC Garrosh will have a phase in Stormwind, possible you end the fight in Stormwind even, that's kind of badass I guess.

[Zaelsino]

You cant stitch an abomination out of ghoul vomit.

True. I always thought undead Garithos would make a fine butler for Sylvanas though.

Just keep him away from shotguns...

[Arayaa]

There should be a badass Gnome hero. Because the race is ridiculed as a whole (which I won't say is unjustified), there should at least be one Gnome that is an exception.

That's my two cents on the matter.

Okay. I thought about it. I want this.

But seriously, how does one write a badass gnome character? If you make them a joke you enforce the stereotype, but a super serious gnome would just be so...unbelievable...

The best I can come up with is sort of a GoT Tirion style character. Really good at plotting and scheming, in a somewhat shady way, but still generally done for the greater good. Even then though, that is really not like a gnome at all.

[Alltat]

Come talk to me when your city has a massive smoking crater in it for a couple years.

*cought*Silvermoon City*cough*

Though I guess technically it's not smoking, just being haunted by level 5 ghosts. So far no one has even tried to begin fixing it.

[hrugner]

Okay. I thought about it. I want this.

But seriously, how does one write a badass gnome character? If you make them a joke you enforce the stereotype, but a super serious gnome would just be so...unbelievable...

The best I can come up with is sort of a GoT Tirion style character. Really good at plotting and scheming, in a somewhat shady way, but still generally done for the greater good. Even then though, that is really not like a gnome at all.

I don't know, a robot pilot would work fine. If they ever introduced battle mages I'd love to see a gnome flying around with a two hander. There are options, options that should be explored.