Ideally no one has ever hit the level cap of the last expansion, looked at their dungeon blues, and thought "I win."
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Last edited by anaxie; 2013-10-31 at 04:39 PM.
Since when were iLvl 528 gear, no achievements, no titles, and no mounts equivalent to the gold medal? LFR rewards and Heroic rewards are COMPLETELY different. LFR rewards are like the participation rewards you get for playing in your local league with a bunch of friends. Heroic raiding is the Olympics. They're completely different leagues
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But those campaigns have an easy difficulty and a hard difficulty. Just like LFR is the easy difficulty and Heroics are the hard difficulty. It's exactly the same thing
I can see a case for raiding being exclusive but it would look far different then it does today.
Last edited by hasekmpp; 2013-10-31 at 04:44 PM.
Do you have to "work" to play basketball with your friends after work? No, you don't. That's what LFR is.
It's not like basketball courts are blocked off unless you practice 3 hours every day. What, is there a guard at every single basketball court that doesn't let you in unless you prove to him you practiced 3 hours every day?
Raiding is like a sport: you don't HAVE to put time into it to do it. You can play sports with your friends who all suck without ever practicing, just for fun. Same with raiding.
I think games nowadays have larger issues with the playerbase not being able to accept that they indeed are terrible players and that's okay than the actual balancing. It's too easy to just point and blame someone else and without accepting that you can never become better.
How is that a solution when just a few posts ago you stated that the concept of LFR doesn't work if proper players aren't getting lured in.
I rarely get outraged by mundane things but I remember completely losing my shit when some soccer mom told me that her sons team don't keep score during games. I can't remember when I would have gotten as angry as that before.
Last edited by Strafir; 2013-10-31 at 04:51 PM.
In the system I proposed LFR folks would have to chose between higher item level and 2p bonus or 4p LFR item level, since the combination wouldn't unlock the 4p bonus. That's why I said that their Tier either needs to be an exception or removed.World bosses are fine.
I agree that the World bosses are fine now.
A so called "trivial solution", my dear.How is that a solution when just a few posts ago you stated that the concept of LFR doesn't work if proper players aren't getting lured in.
Since Blizzard needs Raiders in there, there will ALWAYS be something to lure them in. So all these discussions are actually rather moot, since Blizzard will never ever give up their preciousss LFR.
So Raiders just have to deal with that crap if they want to raid high end. :/
Legendary is the only thing that does and it pretty weak at that. You either don't raid on a tuesday...or if you don't have a job/class to eat up your time before your tuesday raid....or you get sat/choose to sit a lot. If that is you then maybe LFR is worthwhile....and only if you are near completion. Such that you can complete that phase before your raid week is "over". So yeah not very compelling.
Powerful superior items? LOL only if what you have is shit to start with is LFR "powerful" There probably have been/are trinkets that for certain specs at certain gear levels (IE ilevel>lfr ilevel) where the procs rates get a little crazy. I haven't seen enough of that to happen to say it designed that way.
If your late to the party and your gear is behind, yes I'll say running LFR may be enticing for the rewards...but mostly because it is the easiest obtainable level to enter into.
Why? Why should content be gated behind skill? Plenty of single-player games don't require skill, when they put in an easy difficulty. They still allow you to beat the game without being good at it. Same with sports: you don't have to be a pro athlete to pick up a basketball and just play with your friends one day
If you play with all people who are bad at basketball, no one cares. If you play with people who don't care about winning or losing, and just play to exercise, they won't care if you suck. That's casual basketball. So there should be casual raiding just like that, and that's LFR
Raiding is not or has never been exclusive to anyone. The content is there for everyone, noone is getting special access to it. If you have an inability to kill a boss that is not the same as being denied access to it.
You dont have to? There are several 1 day raid guilds that have cleared all normal modes. They probably put in less time than anyone doing LFR.
There are also pugs that clear all content in 1 night.
Why is the arena gear, mounts and titles exclusive to the people that put in x amount of time and put out x amount of wins? Why is daily quest rewards limited to the ones that has the time to do them, why is the loremaster achievement limited to those that have the time to do all quests in all zones, why are the celestial tournament limited to the players that got the time to level up 15+ level 25 pets.
I could go on and on with everything created in this game. That is how games work, especially subscription games. *Shocking news*, blizzard wants you to spend more time in the game so you spend more time being subbed so they earn more money! */Shocking news*. That is why the best rewards in anything, be it pet battles, questing, pvping, pveing, fishing, cooking archeology etc is given to the players that spend the most time, so that the players that do not want to spend more time doing it.
The difference is that in raiding you can take the short cut of being good to complete it fast. While being good in say pet battles may help a bit, it is still a long grind to get up all those level 25 pets for pet battles. Completing all normal modes took my guild 7 hours of game time, I have spent 10x that on pet battles and I am not even remotely close to seeing all pet battle content.
The problem would be that you are comparing raiding which is the most organised form of playing WoW to footbal in loose terms. Organised football do require everyone to be physically fit to play. If you are not fit for raiding, there are a ton of other stuff you can do in WoW, a lot of which is even more time consuming than raiding.
While I have seen a lot of people complaining about LFR, me included, and a lot of people want it removed, I am a bit conflicted on the matter myself. I am 100% sure that the current form of LFR needs to be changed in one way or the other, that does not mean that LFR does not have its place. But the naysayers of LFR got some good points and it is fairly obvious that LFR does not only bring positives to the game.
I have not however seen a single person say that Flex should be removed on these forums. Granted, I dont read through a majority of the threads. Though from what I have been able to see, Flex has had a large consensus of approval. Personally I think Flex is great and awesome. I do miss the old Glory of the X Raider achievement, getting it from flex felt a bit less rewarding and satisfying, but I understand why they changed it to that. Maybe that was a good change I dont know.
LFR won't go anywhere so I don't think people need to worry about it. Too many of LFR threads lately.
If you're in an environment where you can suck and still complete the content, you're not a leach. A group of 6 shitty basketball players can still play basketball together and have fun. A group of 25 unskilled players can go into LFR (if Blizz tunes it low enough) and still kill bosses. You don't need to be good at a team game to beat content, if that content is easy enough.