I am disappoint, UKIP, I am disappoint.

[Archangel Tyrael]

I've been a long-time supporter of the UKIP and of promoting good governance in Britain and Europe. I even understand and support (to a degree) limiting immigration to Britain. What I am disappointed in, however, is that some of the UKIP brass keep whining about Slavic immigration to Britain. I'm a Slavophile, I absolutely love Russian and Slavic history and culture. I am even dedicating a large portion of my studies to Eastern European studies, and dream of someday working as a diplomat in Russia or Eastern Europe.

Even if some of the Slavic immigrants don't assimilate into British society, I'd view that as a small price to pay for this opportunity to study their culture in more depth and to build connections.

tl;dr Stop picking on Bulgarians, Romanians and Slavs, because I find it personally inconvenient.

poor little person, I'm sure Britian will soon have someone like Obongo to care for your feelings.

[Nakura Chambers]

If there's a demand for a skilled profession then by all means come over. If there isn't, don't. It's pretty simple and it goes for others as well, not just Romanians.

Like I said... The kinda Romanians we do want can already apply as skilled workers. We don't want or need unskilled and entry-level workers...

I absolutely agree, the problem is that much of the rhetoric is not aimed at "unskilled Romanians," it's just "Romanians."

[Wildtree]

We said the same thing with the word "priest" and no one made it a racist deal. Ya'll killing out a really cool word that I can assure you Americans think of more as a lifestyle than a race.

Well, maybe, in a way... Because compared to Europeans, Americans are still kind of nomads?
Most Europeans are extremely settled down. Americans move around more. The vast open size of the country plays towards the lifestyle. And quite frankly, in my 15 years in the US, I have yet to actually see a gypsy. Whereas in Europe they are plentiful..
Gypsy - the German word Zigeuner - is used in 2 possibilities. It's either derogatory and an insult. Or it's the complete opposite to compliment another persons wits, or when kids stroll around outside for hours and forget the be back in time for dinner..
The latter is therefore pretty much limited to rather intimate personal level amongst friends/family etc.

The former stems from our dislike of the nomadic lifestyle of the gypsies, and unfortunately, there are clans amongst them who base their entire income on scamming and robbing people. It's not a new phenomenon. It exists for a long time. In Western Europe Gypsy is very much attributed with crime and evil. I am sure it doesn't apply to all gypsies, but unfortunately to a lot of them, especially the ones who are still moving from place to place with campers.

Even in modern Music that reflects...

Watching the universe at the end of another day
Fatalistic ships from a distant shore
In the back of my mind I could see she was standing there
Like the feeling you have
When you've been there before

She was a gypsy woman
She was as cold as the day
She said I'd got it coming
And then she took me away

She took me through the shadows of her sunken dream
I thought it's over me, she wasn't all she seemed
She took my hand and then she started to speak
She told me she'd had the call
With eyes of fire that were burning my soul
She looked into her crystal ball
She read my fortune then she read my mind
She didn't like my thoughts at all
She showed me shadows, a spectre of life
My soul just wanted to scream
She stared so deeply into my eyes
That's when I fell into a dream
When I awoke in bed she lay beside me
And she read me with her eyes, she said

So you wanna be a gypsy, come on now
Gypsy woman you're the devil in drag
You are the queen of all hell
You took my body, now you're wasting my soul
You've got me under your spell
And as the sun shines on another day
You're gonna take my mind as well, it's over
So you wanna be a gypsy, come on now.

Ass kicking song btw...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERNayQHFl9Q

[Nakura Chambers]

I remember something about Mexicans and this other country. We had the decently to blame all the issues on the Cartel. See? Mexican and Cartel. Nothing magical about those words.

Can't believe you went and ruined a perfectly good word.

Seems they've already taken your advice. The Brits are blaming violence from immigrants on "gangs."

[Kalis]

poor little person, I'm sure Britian will soon have someone like Obongo to care for your feelings.

He's not British.

[BatteredSausage]

racism.

This thread went to utter shit the moment this word was mentioned.
Im surprised it took almost a full page before someone said this twat word.

[Nakura Chambers]

So let me get this straight, your okay with UKIPs stance on immigration control for say SE Asia but you take exception with UKIPs stance on direct net migration from Eastern Europe? Flawed logic or what!

UKIP scares the British public into thinking immigration is a bad thing, the fact of the matter is simple: Immigration has had a direct positive result on the UK, without immigrant nurses, doctors and medics the NHS would have collapsed, without immigrant agricultural workers the British farmer would have gone bankrupt. And it has been proven that the majority of immigrants living in the UK today contribute a healthy amount of fiscal return to the UK economy via taxes and direct contributions.

I'm fine with well regulated immigration, but having completely open borders, and putting our immigration restrictions in the hands of the European Union, are things that everyone should be skeptical of.

[Kalis]

I'm fine with well regulated immigration, but having completely open borders, and putting our immigration restrictions in the hands of the European Union, are things that everyone should be skeptical of.

Our? When did that happen?

Perhaps we should have tighter immigration controls that we can apply retrospectively.

[Nakura Chambers]

This thread went to utter shit the moment this word was mentioned.
Im surprised it took almost a full page before someone said this twat word.

If he can't bother doing any research or making any effort to defend his views, then he probably shouldn't be posting on the forum to begin with. Just hit the "report post" button and move on.

[Deleted]

I'm fine with well regulated immigration, but having completely open borders, and putting our immigration restrictions in the hands of the European Union, are things that everyone should be skeptical of.

You are American, drop the "Ours".

[Wildtree]

Our? When did that happen?

That confuses me too...
We have EU regulations applicable for EU member states.. But at the same time we also have our own individual laws and regulations. We still all keep our sovereignty in that regard.

Perhaps we should have tighter immigration controls that we can apply retrospectively.

Retrospective may cause some problems. But a little tighter may be an option.

[Kalis]

Retrospective may cause some problems. But a little tighter may be an option.

It was a joke - he claimed to be British by use of the word 'our', so I was inferring that we get rid of him.

[Wildtree]

It was a joke - he claimed to be British by use of the word 'our', so I was inferring that we get rid of him.

Yeah I realized after Rich pointed it out

[Kalis]

If he can't bother doing any research or making any effort to defend his views, then he probably shouldn't be posting on the forum to begin with. Just hit the "report post" button and move on.

Having views shouldn't be a reason to not post, the ones who shouldn't be posting are those who have admitted trolling.

I admit that I have trolled...

[Cybran]

Can we get back on topic?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...s-8931222.html

The numbers from the A8 employed in the UK has risen from 64,000 in 2004 to 683,000 now. At the same time the numbers from Bulgaria and Romania (the A2) have risen from 12,000 to 141,000 and may well rise further next year when restrictions are lifted. About half the total rise in employment since the beginning of 2004 is accounted for by these A10 workers, which made the UK economy more productive.

The table makes clear that the A10 (A2+A8) folks came to work. Their employment rate – the proportion of the population aged 16 and over that is employed – is much higher than it is for UK nationals and especially so for the A8.

Non-EU employment rates are especially low. Of course, given they reside and work in the UK as EU residents they are entitled to the same benefits and tax breaks as everyone else and they are entitled to send their kids to school and, when they get sick, they and their spouses and kids use the NHS. They also bring their demand for goods with them and they spend and save and raise national income.

Bitching about the most productive immigrants in the UK is really stupid when the employment from other regions is barely 50%.

[Deleted]

Can we get back on topic?

is this a different cybran i see before me?
i'm actually in shock!!

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You come across as having a certain type of person in mind with this statement because there are many countries that would simply have no barrier to integration.

2 types tbh mate. if i was to mention either, it would probably result me getting an infraction or possible ban.
a small amount of research or watching various documentaries will give you the answer.

[Deleted]

You aren't British, why do you care?

I'm honestly surprised there wasn't a poll with an American and a Foriegner option on this thread.