13 LFR Groups Couldn't Even get Past the First Boss

[Giscoicus]

In the EU (from my experience anyway) you get kicked if you're afk or offline. Other than tanks incapable of working out basic mechanics after they're explained, pretty much nobody else gets kicked.

So...

do you just not have the shitters who cant break 60k? What is your secret?

[Csnyder]

i have never been in a really bad lfr group, not since it started
ive gone weeks without wiping in an lfr....we even one shot garrosh
in fact the first week he was open in lfr we only wiped once

[The Glitch]

So...

do you just not have the shitters who cant break 60k? What is your secret?

To be fair I don't keep track of dps unless it's causing problems on a fight, mainly most bosses go down first try so there isn't much point checking. The few times we have had problems with a boss is usually because a few folks don't know the boss fight, but once explained it's a kill. Haven't had any boss fights where low dps was causing us to fail.

[Rixis]

Sure we have shit dps, our secret is to plug on and still kill it, or if we wipe, depending on if it was a tactics failure, explain what went wrong and go again. Likely after a wipe we'll replace people that left, such as the OP, who left 13 groups after a single wipe, and then go again.

As I say, highest determination was 5 on Nazgrim, first or second week he was open, had 4 wipes on Garrosh first or second week he was open, otherwise, shit just dies. The number of wipes due to low dps are few and far between, hell, I think the only boss I've seen enrage was Nazgrim.

[Aensland]

Just got my Black Blood trinket for my aff lock so I decided to "test" it out on LFR. Joined a group that was about to do Norushen. Fight starts, I immediately go to test realm. I clear realm, port back to normal, only to find a shit ton of adds and nearly everyone dead. Next attempt, same exact thing happens. I calmly leave group.

Was only two wipes at that point but I seriously didn't think it was possible to wipe so quickly on that boss.

[Giscoicus]

Sure we have shit dps, our secret is to plug on and still kill it, or if we wipe, depending on if it was a tactics failure, explain what went wrong and go again. Likely after a wipe we'll replace people that left, such as the OP, who left 13 groups after a single wipe, and then go again.

As I say, highest determination was 5 on Nazgrim, first or second week he was open, had 4 wipes on Garrosh first or second week he was open, otherwise, shit just dies. The number of wipes due to low dps are few and far between, hell, I think the only boss I've seen enrage was Nazgrim.

So...you do abuse determination? Only difference I got from what you said is that people actually try to fix after a wipe, not stand around with chat hidden as they get ready to wipe again.

[DeadmanWalking]

So wait, I thought the usual argument Giscoicus likes to use is that half the raid can do nothing and welfare purples drop like rain. Hmmmm, guess not.

[the0o]

I absolutely can believe this

My shaman has shit luck in LFR, every boss, everytime is a wipe fest. I did the FIRST WING of SOO last night (the wing that has been out for 2-3 months now) and we wiped on :

The trash to the first boss
Boss 1 - 2 wipes. (Very very shitty healers, and 2 squishy tanks, Fixed by kicking 3/6 healers)
Boss 2 - 3 wipes. (DPS didnt even attempt to kill the adds, had to kick 3 dps / AFKS and a tank)
Boss 3 - 2 wipes. ^^^ had 3 other players who died at pull everytime.
Boss 4 - 6 wipes. Fucking stack and spread was far to hard a tactic for these idiots, we had a hunter and a lock trying to stack with the tank and where the large add spawns, costing us alot of DPS because of the buff, tank would not pick up the adds, idiots would stand in the aoe. had to kick several more players before we JUST Barely killed the boss (ankh saved the fucking day, me and another shaman rezed, lusted and burned down the last 5% while the rest of the raid was either dead or MC.


LFR has got to be the worlds largest collection of shit players of any game i have ever played (maybe tied with COD). I wish there was a ranking system so i would never be grouped with them again, i would not even care if my Q time went up by 50-100%, if that gets me a smooth run with people who know how to play, i'll take it.

[Rixis]

So...you do abuse determination? Only difference I got from what you said is that people actually try to fix after a wipe, not stand around with chat hidden as they get ready to wipe again.

If you read getting to 5 determination once and 4 determination once as stacking, they yes, we stack determination. I doubt you're retarded enough to read it as that though.

[Ealyssa]

Sunday I tried second wing on my warlock. Queue poped on a fresh group. We cleaned the trash and before we pulled the boss I said on instance channel "I can go to tower as DPS. I know what to do there". Not a single answer, nothing. 30s later someone pulled the boss. We obviously wiped as they were only two dps trying to climb the towers without healer nor tanks (I wasn't one of them).

We come back, I said "We need to set a tower group and someone to use the first canon after 2nd tower is down" (litteral translation of what I said in french). And I was kicked from the group (for the records I was 2nd dps on the first pull with my shity lock alt. I know the fight, was doing what needed to be done, wasn't rude to anyone).

Looking for retards is just that. Bunch of super baddies (yeah this word suck, but in this case seeing a boomkin with 15k dps) who are so afraid to be pointed that they'll kick anybody they fear may see their failure. LFR is just hell made game. I'll stick to flex with the alts able to run it for at least one whole month before trying LFR again.

I've never seen the wow average level of play being this low. Was never super good, but today it's merit to the worst.

[the0o]

Sunday I tried second wing on my warlock. Queue poped on a fresh group. We cleaned the trash and before we pulled the boss I said on instance channel "I can go to tower as DPS. I know what to do there". Not a single answer, nothing. 30s later someone pulled the boss. We obviously wiped as they were only two dps trying to climb the towers without healer nor tanks (I wasn't one of them).

We come back, I said "We need to set a tower group and someone to use the first canon after 2nd tower is down" (litteral translation of what I said in french). And I was kicked from the group (for the records I was 2nd dps on the first pull with my shity lock alt. I know the fight, was doing what needed to be done, wasn't rude to anyone).

Looking for retards is just that. Bunch of super baddies (yeah this word suck, but in this case seeing a boomkin with 15k dps) who are so afraid to be pointed that they'll kick anybody they fear may see their failure. LFR is just hell made game. I'll stick to flex with the alts able to run it for at least one whole month before trying LFR again.

I've never seen the wow average level of play being this low. Was never super good, but today it's merit to the worst.

This is one of the things wrong with LFR, i have seen more people kicked for being top DPS or posting tactics than people getting kicked for being AFK or doing sub 40k DPS. The LAST lfr i did with my main and a guildy healing, (551 monk) i was doing more dps than the top 3 damage dealers combined, after the first boss someone post in /RA : why are we kicking the top DPS?, at this point i have said nothing, done nothing but kill the boss/adds and instead of kicking the guy doing 2 dps you want to kick the person carrying the group. This happens AGAIN after the second boss and AGAIN after the third, i get kicked.

My buddy told me that the group raged at the people who kicked me and wiped several times on Naz before he left.

[Sabi]

I've been in 13 LFR's for SoO this week, none of them got past the first boss. Most of them continuously wiped on trash, and of the three groups that did make it to the boss, they never got past the first phase. I definitely know that I'm not the only other player suffering from these failed groups, I was in a conversation with another raider who was trying to just get a 2h weapon from the boss, he was in a dozen other LFR groups that all died on first boss too, and he still hasn't gotten a chance to get his weapon. All of this time waiting to get into SoO for two hours, then waiting another hour to finally figure out that they won't ever get past the first boss before requeuing. It's really, really aggravating.

THEN when and if they ever DO get past the first boss...

15 gold
Bonus Roll
20 gold and 5 motes

....

[Seefer]

Sad to see what has become of the wow raiding community I agree.

LFR is not the raiding community, not even close.

[Rumred]

Huh the first week it was out we wiped four times on the first boss before i alt tabbed looked up what was doing all the dmg since healers were just always caught with their pants down during phase 2 and told everyone what to do. After that its been smooth sailing every week its a face roll boss.

Edit: I think the big issue is the longer you wait in the weak the worst geared/exprinced at those classes people get. I always try and do lfr as early in the week as possible or weekends early in evening. If you try and say do it on a Friday or Sunday night its really bad lol. When i can get around to doing in on the first two nights of a reset for the most part its a one shot steam roll.

[Elestia]

Lol at least they can't be bad forever... right? **Empty Silence**

[Buxton McGraff]

I HIGHLY doubt it was 13.
This is an example of gross exaggeration.
You've lost all credibility.

And honestly you'd have an easier time sticking with one group and getting determination than just leaving and finding another group.

[Elestia]

To be fair I don't keep track of dps unless it's causing problems on a fight, mainly most bosses go down first try so there isn't much point checking. The few times we have had problems with a boss is usually because a few folks don't know the boss fight, but once explained it's a kill. Haven't had any boss fights where low dps was causing us to fail.

I'm not saying you should look at DPS meters... but people really should. Its a great tool to measure how effective your damage is. At the very least you can see or begin to understand how you stack up to other people. Even if you're lower ilvl gear but appear to be pulling your weight, then you must be doing something right. If you're not at the top, then there might be a few thing you could be doing better. If you're under 60k, then you should probably uninstall lol (b/c that's what my moonkin does in 430 gear.) And at the bare minimum, you have 18 dps in LFR... you should feel compelled to do at least 4-5% of the damage dealt every fight. I can't tell you the number of times where my ele is doing 10-15%, which is both unfair, but man do those kills take forever. It makes things un-fun because its such a waste of time.

[nekobaka]

Lol. Glad I went the route of seeing the content then quitting.

[Seefer]

I HIGHLY doubt it was 13.
This is an example of gross exaggeration.
You've lost all credibility.

And honestly you'd have an easier time sticking with one group and getting determination than just leaving and finding another group.

How do you know he is exaggerating? He could use his alts and try any number of times on his main as well.

[Belian]

See now if instead of ditching out you stuck with them, you'd get a massive damage boost.

Calling horse shit on this one, seriously, SoO LFR has been out about 7 week or so and I've only ever wiped once on a proper attempt on Immerseus, all other wipes (about 3 total) have been to ninja pulls, and I kill him anywhere from 3 to 6 times a week.

Hell, I can't remember ever going past 5 determination on a boss. That said, seeing as you ditch out and wait for new groups, you've probably never seen one stack.

I completely agree with this guy, OP is probably quitting by the 2nd wipe and blaming it on everybody else, I am on the Vindication battlegroup and I play with Latin America and Brazil servers (some of the worst players according to Gamers) and it have never been as bad as OP says, matter of fact last Friday I did Garrosh in LFR and we wiped 2 times and we had to replace half the raid group by then, we kill him on the 3rd try.

Stacks of determination makes every fight easy also explaining the fight helps a lot and is not really that hard to do it, most fights have like 3 mechanics tops, it takes me 5 seconds to type "DPS boss, Kill black oozes, heal green ones, avoid shit on the floor", it pretty much describes the whole fight in 1 sentence and most people get it, problem is no one wants to type anything because they expect everyone to know the fight, well no shit you get disappointed when you join a LFR group .