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http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-jou...n-never-be-art
Interesting article, although I am not sure if the writer is to be taken seriously as he is noted to being a significant anime fan (giving biased reviews to Miyazaki films).
Discuss? What do you think?
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2014-01-08, 04:41 PM #1Pit Lord
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What do you think of this man's opinion on video games never being real art?
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2014-01-08, 04:44 PM #2Deleted
What difference does him being an anime fan make to his opinions? He sounds like a dick not because he watches chinese cartoons but because he is stubborn and refuses to change..
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2014-01-08, 04:44 PM #3The Insane
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Well... iPad "Paintings" By David Hockney where just featured at San Francisco’s deYoung Museum. So the limitation is not the medium. Frankly, I find games like The Stanley Parable more art then game.
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2014-01-08, 04:46 PM #4Deleted
Most things nowadays are considered art...
Probably wouldn't take long to find a gallery with some pretentious prick trying to tell you how two red squares represent the social inequality inherent in modern America or something.
Oh and didn't some bloke in France tie a dog up and leave it to die and call the process art?
Yeah, seems it's an incredibly subjective understanding.
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2014-01-08, 04:47 PM #5The Lightbringer
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That article was hammered to hell and back with better arguments and great examples back when it was new. And if he actually pays attention to the way games have evolved even in these short years, he is currently regretting that article.
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2014-01-08, 04:47 PM #6Pit Lord
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Off-Topic just for a moment, but it is said that watching anime lowers your credibility on a subject matter regarding serious art. That's why I pointed that out, as well as the fact that Ebert is notorious for being so open to Japanese animation, yet refuses to acknowledge games as art.
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2014-01-08, 04:50 PM #7Deleted
x-can-never be art but hey shitting on a canvas can be.
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2014-01-08, 04:52 PM #8Over 9000!
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Roger Ebert is an ass and always has been.
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2014-01-08, 04:52 PM #9Brewmaster
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Remember the kid that wanted to lose his virginity in front of a classroom of students? Yeah, that was considered art.
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2014-01-08, 04:53 PM #10The Insane
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He's not currently doing anything. Ebert died back in April. Originally Posted by Calzaeth
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2014-01-08, 04:53 PM #11Pit Lord
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I believe he is dead now. Originally Posted by Netherspark
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2014-01-08, 04:53 PM #12The Insane
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But he gave us Beyond the Valley of the Dolls! Originally Posted by Netherspark
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2014-01-08, 04:56 PM #13DeletedSaid by who? Originally Posted by Salandrin
Personally I don't see the appeal in watching cartoons as an adult or the attraction of the girls in signatures made to look young, but I don't understand how that impairs a person's ability to be appreciate art.
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2014-01-08, 04:56 PM #14Deleted
Why would this mans opinion matter?
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2014-01-08, 04:58 PM #15Warchief
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Again this all has to do with taste.... Originally Posted by Salandrin
It is either high-brow or low-brow art, and Ebert's opinion... "No one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great poets, filmmakers, novelists and poets." is typically a high-brow opinion. I wonder how many games that 70 year old man has played in his life....my guess is that it is zero.
If movies can be considered as art, which I am sure Ebert will agree, then video games snugly fit right beside movies.
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2014-01-08, 04:58 PM #16Scarab Lord
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I don't even need to read it to know that he's wrong. Games are an entirely valid form of artistic expression. Just look at The Stanley Parable, Thomas was Alone, The Walking Dead, hell: even the triple A games such as Call of Duty and Mass Effect are art.
That said, I've just read the article and it's essentially him sticking to his narrow definition of art. Boring.
To me, art is supposed to mean something. It should evoke an emotion, make a point, tell a story. Games can do all of these, and thus games can be art.
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2014-01-08, 04:59 PM #17Immortal
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Isn't the story and subject matter more important than the medium in which it's conveyed? Originally Posted by Mycroft Holmes
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2014-01-08, 04:59 PM #18The Undying
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I understand the stance of Ebert, and where he is coming from. He does have a point, and on many aspects he is right.
He is wrong imo, if he generalizes. He's aware of that danger too, which shows by him quoting Rick Wakeman.
To me, it's like that...... Are video games art?
Some can be, that's for sure.
Can video games live up to certain examples of art? Nope, most certainly not.
But this is much more of a quality aspect than anything..
Not every playwright reaches the levels of Shakespeare and the like
Not every painting reaches the levels of Michelangelo, Duerer and the like
And yet still a play written by a rather unknown playwright still is art. Much like a picture painted by a hobby painter still is art.
With that said, some video games are definitely art, but only very few may ever elevate into the ranks of famous arts and artists.
Which gives me a closure by getting back to Wakeman. He is in fact a great example...
Music too is art.... Wakeman is an exceptionally gifted musician and composer. Highly influential as keyboard player to generations of later times.
Most he inspired will never ever reach his level of skill and creativity, and yet, they still are artists..Last edited by Wildtree; 2014-01-08 at 05:02 PM.
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2014-01-08, 04:59 PM #19The Insane
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He was probably the best known film critic in North America, if not in the English-speaking work. Haven't you ever heard of "Siskel and Ebert"? Originally Posted by JfmC
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2014-01-08, 05:00 PM #20Deleted
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Video_Games
I don't see why games couldn't be art like films, books or paintings? Or design, architecture or any usable form of art. Modern games have loads of writing, designing and artistic skills of painting and drawing behind them as well as music composing. To be honest games are like marriage between writing, drawing, design and composing. It's interactive art!
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