Upcoming Siege of Orgrimmar Changes

[Deleted]

I think this nerf is to early, we are at Garrosh HC for a week now and didn´t think that blackfuse or paragons were to hard, actually they are pretty well tuned... and with a look at the next Addon there is so much time to progress on the last 3 bosses.

[Puuhis]

Why are so many of you so fussed about a change you don't even know yet? It might as well be 5% damage reduction. The reasonings given make complete sense and if you disagree with them I'm happy you're not a game designer. Those nerfs should've most likely been in even before 5.4 launched, and better late than never. Those changes will just make not having an optimal setup more forgiving.

[risingforce]

My group just got to heroic Thok. If we don't get a kill this week, this should help.

Exactly, welcome changes!

if you play for challange you shouldve killed those boss already, if not then you obviously needed the nerfs.

Well said, puts to rest the arguments of the elitest!

[Sunnydee]

what bugs me is that ppl keep saying its a nerf when most of them havent killed em on hc. its not a nerf in that manner, its balancing the fights to fit those who still struggle but are close to a kill. Nerfs are something that makes a gamechanger mechanicwise. u still have to do these fights the same way, same tactics, same kill order. only difference is you can breath out every now and then.

im 11/14 hc and im happy on these balance changes to make it more suitable for me and my guilds skills/progress,

[Teebone]

This statement is about as stupid as your avatar.

Some of us raid 2 days 2 hrs a week and are 8/14 heroic and would like a shot at those bosses in their original form when we get there.

At 4 hours a week you ain't getting there before WoD. Sorry =(

[Deleted]

I think this nerf is to early, we are at Garrosh HC for a week now and didn´t think that blackfuse or paragons were to hard, actually they are pretty well tuned... and with a look at the next Addon there is so much time to progress on the last 3 bosses.

Thing is: YOU aren't the indicator. Garrosh HC First Kill has already happened, long enough ago. And it seems like enough people have followed up on it. So it must be somewhat time to nerf those Encounters for whoever.

[Moradim]

finally, a blue post admitting that 10 man is harder than 25 due to less tools available.

see, even the devs agree with players.

[Chrispotter]

Anyone who hasnt cleared 14/14 hc yet needs all the help they can get. Honestly nerfs are welcome at this point, makes alt raids easier and easier to sell boosts. Looking forward to 30% raid wide nerf if that ever comes, will be easy to boost 5+ people on 25 HC at that point

[Dark2099]

finally, a blue post admitting that 10 man is harder than 25 due to less tools available.

see, even the devs agree with players.

I'm so sick of hearing this shit.

The fact is, some fights are easier on 25, and others easier on 10. As somebody who raids both, i've seen those differences firsthand. Easy example - Heroic Norushen. It's a complete joke to do on 10m, while 25 is considerably more challenging.

The biggest difference between 10 and 25 i've seen is that 10m raiders are more full of themselves.

[Captiosus]

And so begins the "Please don't unsub while you wait the next six months, we'll make everything easier!" phase.

[Moradim]

I'm so sick of hearing this shit.

The fact is, some fights are easier on 25, and others easier on 10. As somebody who raids both, i've seen those differences firsthand. Easy example - Heroic Norushen. It's a complete joke to do on 10m, while 25 is considerably more challenging.

The biggest difference between 10 and 25 i've seen is that 10m raiders are more full of themselves.

25 is carebear mode.

you cant trivialize fights in 10 by stacking raid cooldowns, or the best example, adding a third tank to trivialize h garrosh adds.

not to mention it's quite possible for both your healers to get mind controlled.

[Deleted]

25s been tuned around stacking cooldowns, thats why the big things hit harder.

[Gnosk]

Maby, maby not you dont know how far or how our guild is with raiding so saying * you have had plenty of time * is just invalid, i can tell you that if we hadnt had abit of roster issue's anything else we could have downed it.

So please hold those comments to yourself next time.

There is no "maby" about it. The raid has been out for months now. It doesn't matter if you just started raiding it today the raid has been there for months.

Blizzard would like to see more people progress to garrosh at this stage of the expansion.

[Frolk]

I understand the change to Thok, blackfuse and klaxxi, but why Galakras?

[Deleted]

I understand the change to Thok, blackfuse and klaxxi, but why Galakras?

Galakras change only applies to normal and flex NOT heroic. I guess they have data indicating normal/flex groups struggle on that encounter for the intended difficulty.

[Vinyard]

great changes!

[Weightlifter]

Now I will be forever known as a nub who couldn't even kill Siegecrafter before nerfs.

[Crowfeather]

we're more the 4 months into the patch before the first (official) nerfs, and even then it only applies to a few bosses. Dragon Soul, to make a comparison, started nerfing content just 2 months after launch. If anything, I commend Blizz for sticking it out as long as they did, but as they say, the show must go on. The remaining guilds working on the last 4 bosses (mine included), aren't the bleeding-edge super awesome guilds, and simply aren't as skilled as those from Method, Envy, Blood Legion, etc. Most casual raiders don't want to wipe 400 times on siegecrafter with no possible gear upgrades since everyone is already 575. :P

[subanark]

25 is carebear mode.

you cant trivialize fights in 10 by stacking raid cooldowns, or the best example, adding a third tank to trivialize h garrosh adds.

not to mention it's quite possible for both your healers to get mind controlled.

The biggest challenge with 25s is simply organizing it. In HC, you can get a good set of players who can cooperate together for a raid at that skill level. With flex, you don't need a lot of coordination. 25 normal groups are the tough part as the players that are of that skill level often have enough issues to bring them below professional level and starting a raid within 30 minutes of the start time is lucky, not to mention getting everyone on the same page together.

[Stacie]

Good to see nerfs tbh haters gonna hate. Don't see whats to moan about its not like they will be super easy and a cakewalk now. It just means less wipes to get the kill (a good thing, unless you are odd and like to wipe 500x before a kill)