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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    ...and Rise of the Horde shows that the name predates warlocks too.
    Because they chose to run with a terrible interpretation that they knew was a conflict. But until that moment, it wasn't canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Because they chose to run with a terrible interpretation that they knew was a conflict. But until that moment, it wasn't canon.
    But is now, so it's pointless to argue against it, no matter your or our feelings on it.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow-cleave View Post
    But is now, so it's pointless to argue against it, no matter your or our feelings on it.
    Game canon is higher book canon. Hell, the books themselves are internally contradictory, given that they use the term "Dragonmaw" and have the Orcs puzzling at a depiction of a dragon within their pages. Not exactly the most reliable sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    So actually this may be the first WoW expansion with no dragons/drakes/etc at all.
    Just for saying that I hope the landscape is stacked with dragons 1000 feet into the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Game canon is higher book canon. Hell, the books themselves are internally contradictory, given that they use the term "Dragonmaw" and have the Orcs puzzling at a depiction of a dragon within their pages. Not exactly the most reliable sources.
    No... new canon is higher than old canon, even if new canon is from a book and old canon is from a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Game canon is higher book canon. Hell, the books themselves are internally contradictory, given that they use the term "Dragonmaw" and have the Orcs puzzling at a depiction of a dragon within their pages. Not exactly the most reliable sources.
    What Aqua said. Newer lore trumps older lore, not game lore trumps book lore.

    And besides, that means 2 things: the original orcish word for dragon means something else and it was translated into Common wrong, or we're wrong and they weren't established until they found out about dragons. And since we've already proved the latter wrong, it means that it was translated wrong or something else.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by TOOLDOOG View Post
    Since we are talking about Draenor, can some explain me why does the planets name bear such striking resemblance to the Draenei name?
    The lore explanation is that the Orcs didn't have a specific name for the world at all (they just called it "the world"), since they didn't really have any knowledge of any other worlds. As they began to interact more directly with other worlds, they ended up adopting the Draenei name for the planet (Draenor) since that was the only one they knew.

    The meta-game explanation is actually the opposite of this. The Draenei were actually named after the world itself, which at the time made perfect sense because they were originally supposed to be natives who had lived alongside the Orcs (until the Orcs killed most of them). It wasn't until the Burning Crusade that their backstory was expanded to include them arriving from elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TOOLDOOG View Post
    Since we are talking about Draenor, can some explain me why does the planets name bear such striking resemblance to the Draenei name?
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    That's what the Draenei named it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Falrinn View Post
    The lore explanation is that the Orcs didn't have a specific name for the world at all (they just called it "the world"), since they didn't really have any knowledge of any other worlds. As they began to interact more directly with other worlds, they ended up adopting the Draenei name for the planet (Draenor) since that was the only one they knew.

    The meta-game explanation is actually the opposite of this. The Draenei were actually named after the world itself, which at the time made perfect sense because they were originally supposed to be natives who had lived alongside the Orcs (until the Orcs killed most of them). It wasn't until the Burning Crusade that their backstory was expanded to include them arriving from elsewhere.
    “We fell in love with this land, and we call it Draenor.”
    Durotan nodded. He had heard the term before. He liked how it sat on his tongue when he spoke it, and the orcs did not have a name for this place other than “world.”
    “It is our term, we have not the arrogance to think the orcs would use it as well. But such we have dubbed it, and we love Draenor deeply. It is a beautiful world, and we have seen many.”

    --Rise of the Horde

    Draenei giving the name to Draenor was also in Beyond the Dark Portal (2008).
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2014-02-06 at 10:47 PM.

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