[WoD] Retribution Paladin Megathread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

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(I know, it's crap... off the charts)

You win the internetz. 1000/10

[Lumineus]

No one can be told what the MatOrcs is.

well i suppose now that tv an fv are the same dmg % im going to have to do more napkin math to see how much stronger fv will be

100/70 = 1.43

43%

[Maegor]

well i suppose now that tv an fv are the same dmg % im going to have to do more napkin math to see how much stronger fv will be

Easy, just 1/(1-AR). So right now 1/.68=47%

[Kelemar]

If Templar's Verdict really remains at 210% weapon damage, then damn FV will hit like a truck comparatively.

I really like the ideas that are thrown around here, like Exo guaranteeing crit TV/FV. We definitely need something like this. As of right now, without our 4set to watch, Ret feels kind of... boring to be quite honest.

Edit: Just seeing it now - FV hits almost for about 50% more on PvE targets (do regular mobs also have 32% armor?), that is amazing.

[Octan]

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(I know, it's crap... off the charts)

The Iron Horde is a system, hero. That system is our enemy.

[Zabannith]

Napkin math time again take with a very big grain of salt

TV first assuming 100 wpn dmg

TV= 100(wpn dmg)*2.10(210%tv)=210
armour reduction ~30%= 63
so 210-63(tv dmg after armour)=147
next we need to figure out how much mastery dmg we would get from this for easy maths lets assume 10% mastery rating
so 210-63(tv dmg after armour)=147*.10=14.7 hand of light dmg.
now we add them up

147(tv after armour)+14.7(10%mastery)= 167.7 total dmg


now for FV

FV= 100(wpn dmg)*2.10(210% holy dmg) =210
no armour reduction
next we need to figure out how much mastery dmg we would get from this for easy maths lets assume 10% mastery rating
so 210*.10=21(mastery dmg)
now we add it up
210(holy dmg no armour reduction)+21(mastery)=231

231/147.7=1.56 so fv is approx 56% stronger than tv now bare in mind this is very rough math ,

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Easy, just 1/(1-AR). So right now 1/.68=47%

but you did not account for mastery dmg there

[Tylanthia]

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Well, done good sir. Well done.

[Lumineus]

You used the unmastery number for TV in the final calculation. The percentage difference should be unaffected by mastery.

[Zabannith]

well we got 3 diff answers on how fv vs tv is,, i will admit that my math is the shits . we need some body whos a math genius and is willing to do the TC for us

[Kelemar]

Napkin math time again take with a very big grain of salt

TV first assuming 100 wpn dmg

TV= 100(wpn dmg)*2.10(210%tv)=210
armour reduction ~30%= 63
so 210-63(tv dmg after armour)=147
next we need to figure out how much mastery dmg we would get from this for easy maths lets assume 10% mastery rating
so 210-63(tv dmg after armour)=147*.10=14.7 hand of light dmg.
now we add them up

147(tv after armour)+14.7(10%mastery)= 167.7 total dmg


now for FV

FV= 100(wpn dmg)*2.10(210% holy dmg) =210
no armour reduction
next we need to figure out how much mastery dmg we would get from this for easy maths lets assume 10% mastery rating
so 210*.10=21(mastery dmg)
now we add it up
210(holy dmg no armour reduction)+21(mastery)=231

231/147.7=1.56 so fv is approx 56% stronger than tv now bare in mind this is very rough math ,

I never know in which order to calculate all of those reductions and 210% here and 10% mastery there... So, it is 56% then? Damn...
Now if it would only have a new awesome icon with a sword, then this alone would be reason enough for me to get WoD.

[Maegor]

So couple things. I think we see how much 2 points of boss AR affects how much MORE FV would hit -> 4%.

Edited for too quicks maths

[Zabannith]

So couple things. I think we see how much 2 points of boss AR affects how much MORE FV would hit -> 4%.

Then, look how much mastery added to that. Jumped the 30% AR from 43% to 56%, with just 10% mastery. This is why our mastery being a second attack and not a modifier is important. If it was just a modifier, then there wouldn't have been a difference.

true when comparing 1 attack to the next mastery is not needed, honestly i was just using old equations from when i was calculating it with inquisition... but that's not needed anymore

[Lumineus]

Oh and you also added wrong.

TV first assuming 100 wpn dmg

TV= 100(wpn dmg)*2.10(210%tv)=210
armour reduction ~30%= 63
so 210-63(tv dmg after armour)=147
next we need to figure out how much mastery dmg we would get from this for easy maths lets assume 10% mastery rating
so 210-63(tv dmg after armour)=147*.10=14.7 hand of light dmg.
now we add them up

147(tv after armour)+14.7(10%mastery)= 167.7 total dmg
161.7


now for FV

FV= 100(wpn dmg)*2.10(210% holy dmg) =210
no armour reduction
next we need to figure out how much mastery dmg we would get from this for easy maths lets assume 10% mastery rating
so 210*.10=21(mastery dmg)
now we add it up
210(holy dmg no armour reduction)+21(mastery)=231

231/147.7=1.56161.7=1.43

[Zabannith]

so no mastery = 147 tv dmg and 210 fv dmg
210/147=1.4285

so FV will be 43% stronger than TV , if current values for the skills stay as they are now at 210%

this just goes to show how strong mastery is, even just 10% mastery increased the dmg output difference by ~13%

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Oh and you also added wrong.

oh shit it did... well i did say i wasent the greatest at math.. and im half watching the animaniacs so im not 100% paying attention

[Lumineus]

Again, Mastery doesn't affect the difference. 110/77 gives the same result as 100/70.

[Zabannith]

exactly mastery is just icing on the cake , but you can easily see how even a small amount of it would and does affect our dmg overall

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even with the loss of inquisiton, i just wonder how much value mastery will loose realitive to haste and crit now

[Maegor]

No inq is bad for our mastery. But mastery is an easy stat to fix, you just change the conversion rate.

[NuLogic]

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Muscles glasses!

Also date a live /squeeee

[Alindra]

so FV will be 43% stronger than TV , if current values for the skills stay as they are now at 210%

So long as TV and FV have the same weapon coefficient, then FV will deal ~42.8% more damage (at 30% armor reduction). The reduced formula is as simple as: 1 / (1 - Armor)

0% Armor = Equal damage
10% Armor = 11.1%
20% Armor = 25%
30% Armor = 42.8%
40% Armor = 66.7%

Of course, with FV hitting harder, it means that DS only pulls ahead at 3 mobs instead of 2.


Re: Art of War
Here's a random idea I had for AoW:
1) Allow Exo crits to proc AoW.
2) AoW procs grant a buff that increases the HP generation of Exo by 1. Stacks 2 times. Consumed by Exo.

Not sure if it's a good idea, but it was interesting enough I figured I'd share.

[Kelemar]

Also date a live /squeeee

Tohka best girl!

B2T: Back to 43% on how much more damage FV will do, but that's still an awesome lot. No way will I ever pick Seraphim or Seal Dancing over this one.