Is Siege of Orgrimmar REALLY that hard?

[PrairieChicken]

The over geared healer can help out an under geared tank.
But not when everyone is under geared.

WotLK blue is ilevel 200. ICC 10 is 251. (51 difference)
MoP blue is ilevel 463. SoO is 553. (90 difference)

I don't see how he can do it.
LoL that blue weapon ...

Add 30% buff on top of that.


For SoO I do not think 471 is even remotely close to satisfying DPS requirements. I would be very surprised if they get past immerseus.

[Mormolyce]

Raids was never hard after Burning Crusade. Don't see why they keep nerfing raids

Yeah, man. I remember some of those bosses even had mechanics.

[tiporispit]

http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/09/02/yogg-saron-in-blues/

[Deleted]

Doesn't prove a thing. Skilled players will clear Soo but that is less than 5% of raiding players. Some players will never clear it. Personally I think you will struggle with some of the later dps requirements. Not having the crutch that is the legendary cloak would make this very hard indeed. Good on you for trying, but it doesn't prove your point.

Maybe if you got given a fresh dinged 90 with bad gear, poorly optimised stats and bad talents, then you might be nearer.

[Dangg]

http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/09/02/yogg-saron-in-blues/

Ilvl200 and Ulduar 10 man dropps ilvl219

[PrairieChicken]

Lot of heroic raiders tend to underestimate the importance of gear (= overestimate their skill) I would say. This challenge would be no different.

[Mormolyce]

Doesn't prove a thing. Skilled players will clear Soo but that is less than 5% of raiding players. Some players will never clear it. Personally I think you will struggle with some of the later dps requirements. Not having the crutch that is the legendary cloak would make this very hard indeed. Good on you for trying, but it doesn't prove your point.

If their point is that clearing SoO (NM) is more about knowing what you're doing than gear, and they successfully clear it - I think that's point proven.

[Deleted]

I fully support this, after doing shamans and gala on Normal last night. Having all member above 550+ and constant wiping, people need to see that it is not that hard

You guys proved that it is, in fact, REALLY that hard.
No need therefore for the OP and his guys to perform this test.

[Dracodraco]

< Method > could probably do this. They killed heroic garrosh with ...what, a 553 avg item level?

It would need to be 25m, not 10m. 25m SoO is much easier than 10m SoO.

And there would be much trickery involved of chaining cool downs and using crazy things from obscure parts of the world like paladin t2 6pc or some crazyness that nobody would ever imagine to be viable, yet is in this very specific situation, etc ... (I am just naming a random example, I remember from t7 days where people were taking vanilla tier sets on paladins and getting zero cooldown on their LoH ability, which was quickly nerfed btw, just saying :P)

568, not 553 =P. 553 is what you'd enter the normal modes with if you had the previous tier on farm.

[Mormolyce]

You guys proved that it is, in fact, REALLY that hard.
No need therefore for the OP and his guys to perform this test.

Or he proved that that team was full of derps?

I wish the OP the best of luck and will be fascinated to watch the results. Personally I think they've set the gear threshold too low, but we'll see.

[Not Againnn]

How about saying it again in english?

the guild juggernaut 2 killed kil'jaeden in bc with heroic gear + any gear they acquired from like 1 months worth of raiding. look it up.

[Durandro]

Honestly think its impossible. LFR maybe, and at a real stretch Flex.

Also, getting people potentially saved to Normal means you might not have many takers.

...and SoO is well balanced. Not really hard or easy. There's a nice curve of difficulty for everyone to enjoy.

[Dangg]

the guild juggernaut 2 killed kil'jaeden in bc with heroic gear + any gear they acquired from like 1 months worth of raiding. look it up.

No they didn't. After 3.0 doesn't count, Sunwell was the like Karazhan then.

[Durandro]

The over geared healer can help out an under geared tank.
But not when everyone is under geared.

WotLK blue is ilevel 200. ICC 10 is 251. (51 difference)
MoP blue is ilevel 463. SoO is 553. (90 difference)

I don't see how he can do it.
LoL that blue weapon ...

Item levels are much more valuable now as well, due to out of control scaling. A good high-geared playing in Wrath did 10k dps while a good blue-geared player did maybe 3-4k, currently its more a ratio of 800k to 100k.

[GwiGwi]

I dont want to ruin your fun, but have you even done the math for this?? It is mathematically impossible at 471ilvl to even clear the first wing. Much less reach orgrimmar to lay siege to it.

[Deleted]

This does sound kinda interesting, I'd be down if I could gather a gear set in time.

Great for you, some people don't play as often or are as good as you.

That's just a load of bullshit, my guild got Garrosh HC down before Christmas raiding 12 hours a week.

[Not Againnn]

No they didn't. After 3.0 doesn't count, Sunwell was the like Karazhan then.

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im just comparing this soo clear to that juggernaut 2 clear.
its possible lmao.

[Mormolyce]

the guild juggernaut 2 killed kil'jaeden in bc with heroic gear + any gear they acquired from like 1 months worth of raiding. look it up.

I tried, couldn't find anything with google.

(I mean, I believe you, but I'd love to see the vid.)

That's just a load of bullshit, my guild got Garrosh HC down before Christmas raiding 12 hours a week.

I guess you're not SOME PEOPLE.

What do you mean, SOME PEOPLE!?

[Deleted]

That sounds really fun, I'd love to join you. I've every character leveled to 90 excluding a monks, do you have any specific spec/class you'd prefer?

[Deleted]

When you fail in 471 I will lol. You might even get the first 8 bosses? down with 496 but then anyone who practices enough could do that. I don't think any raid is "hard" it is all about having good people, good gear and learning the fights so I don't understand what is the point in this personally.