Hi, guys,
I have a question to the ones in beta:
How is WW survivability compared to live, considering that spheres were replaced by 30energy/1.5sec cast Surging mist?
Hi, guys,
I have a question to the ones in beta:
How is WW survivability compared to live, considering that spheres were replaced by 30energy/1.5sec cast Surging mist?
I'd say survivability is exactly the same, ToK does the same thing, all our defensives remain unchanged, as does our mobility. It's just our self-healing which isn't much to rely on most of the time. We do still have EH and the 45 talents that all provide some self-healing too.
It's hard to says how the self-healing is really affected till they start tuning numbers.
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This. Monks feel pretty much the same, maybe a bit slower since cost of Jab went to 50e (up from 40e) but gameplay wise were close to what are they on Live currently.
New talent, Chi Explosion (replaces BoK) makes rotation a bit more fluent as it can be cast from 1-4 chi. When cast with 3chi it generates 1chi, its Combo Procs refund 2chi back, which makes chi generation a bit more easy. Tigereye brew generation went to 1stack per 6chi (up from 4chi) but with higher chi generation it feels the same.
Second talent worth noting, Serenity, makes us burst on demand, with 1.5m CD.
Since we lost Healing Sphere our self healing went down a bit. Its compensated somewhat with Surging Mist that we got, but in current build its minor healing and hardly ever valuable to keep it on your active action bar.
Currently due to lower haste all energy classes feel slower, but overall Windwalker monks suffer minor changes and gameplay feels the same/similar as on Live.
Biggest Monk changes hit Mistweavers who are, currently, in odd place.
I agree with everything but this. Yes the healing is low (I'd compare it to current ele shaman healing surge), but still pretty good: at least in a pvp setting, I see beta streamers using it in arena for pretty good results (especially considering your teleport is much more random to predict because there's no longer a cast time on it).
How the healing is now may not be the same when its live as there hasn't been a numbers tuning pass yet. This makes it almost moot to talk about the numbers of the abilities/heals. Theoretically moving from an instant cast heal to a cast time lowers your survivability to a degree regardless of the numbers; you can be interrupted and have to stop moving making you an easier target. However, until they start tuning numbers its impossible to tell how it will be when its live.
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Thanks all for the replies.
I just stumbled upon a change that seems too significant to ignore, because it will boost survival greatly - FSK and roll can be controlled, i.e. used around corners. Any word on if this is official or a bug? Because I didn't find it in the official patch notes
It's the best bug ever. We need to stop talking about it so Blizzard forgets to fix it.
You're really putting too much stock into swift reflexes/sparring, it's not even 5% of the reason you're able to solo Ulduar 25. They've taken the route of making all old content a joke by making players deal increased damage to any creature lower level than them.
Having done the (untuned) heroic dungeons on beta so far and the raid tests that have been available, windwalker survivability feels just like it does on live minus the self-healing. They might adjust that in the upcoming balance patches or they might just leave it as it is, it also sucks not being able to self-heal whilst moving/autoattacking with healing orbs not a big fan of surging mist.
Between touch of karma, diffuse magic, fortifying brew, zen meditation, instant transcendence and FSK/Roll mobility we're still have far more survivability than 90% of other classes.
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It does - thus why it's more kind of a guess. I haven't had a chacne to test it, as I haven't had a working computer for around a week. Still, CB procs happen infrequently enough that I think EH at 40e is fairly balanced against Jab, even while doing about the same amount of dmg. Plus, your healers will love you.
Edit: also, EH still hits harder.
Last edited by Callimonk; 2014-08-02 at 09:35 PM.
Can't really say anything about healing since all healing is getting a nerf. Really need to see all the classes in their finished state to know how healing for Monks is.
I can't help but believe that ToK is going to be weaker than it was. I know they doubled health pools for PvP reasons but surely raid damage in the higher difficulties will still have mechanics that deal well over 50% of a target's life, right? If that isn't the case I don't know how stuff is even meant to be dangerous. Mechanics that we could 100% or almost fully negate with ToK will be eating past into the absorb and well into our lifebars.
Last edited by Weriik; 2014-08-05 at 12:03 PM.
I think that was one of the main reasons it got nerfed. It was incredibly strong as a personal CD, allowing to completely negate some mechanics. On top of that, it adds a little damage - quite a big amount if used on very strong abilities in combination with other def-CDs (e.g. Siegecrafter belts).