Why can Hunters move, but Other Ranged Can't?

[Deleted]

You might aswell ask: Why can Paladins bubble but other classes can't?

'Tis is what they do.

[Jaojin]

i think it says it right about here no? "If there is a fight with no movement, Hunters won’t do as well"

This is technically incorrect. Hunter's will do as well on a fight with no movement as they would on a fight with movement. The difference is that other spellcasting classes will do much better because they have higher sustained dps to account for their lack of mobility.

[zorkuus]

This is technically incorrect. Hunter's will do as well on a fight with no movement as they would on a fight with movement. The difference is that other spellcasting classes will do much better because they have higher sustained dps to account for their lack of mobility.

Still doesn't explain why they would mention it when they admit in the next sentence that stationary fights do not exist in their design.

[chewie49]

i think hunters should have to climb up tree stands and sit around waiting for shit to wonder by all day

[zorkuus]

i think hunters should have to climb up tree stands and sit around waiting for shit to wonder by all day

if we're going all RL in here, then they should also get a 80% miss penalty while moving.

[Seezer]

i might agree with that, except hunters cant even equip a melee weapon anymore...

What does a melee weapon have to do with anything?

[Debased]

I think hunter mobility is fine the issue stems from spells of theirs that are overtuned or CC that is too potent.

[Willoughby]

I honestly have no idea why, outside of some arbitrary "casters shouldn't be mobile" mindset that has nothing to do with good game design.

They probably felt mobile casting was too much of an advantage over melee.

Why even bring melee in a world of MoP KJC?

[zorkuus]

Its funny how 90% of the well written posts here get completely ignored.

Essentially this is only an issue because someone made a thread on it, none of you actually sit in WoW thinking "omg Hunters can move and shoot, fucking nerf", and if you do, you should have brought it up by now, considering Hunters have been a mobile class since before I can remember.

Because there is more movement heavy fights in WoD than ever.

[Deleted]

Now where does that say hunters deal less damage to compensate for their movement?

MM hunters do get buff when they are standing still that increases their dps, so they do less damage while moving than while standing still. Other 2 specs don't.

[Wondercrab]

They probably felt mobile casting was too much of an advantage over melee.

Why even bring melee in a world of MoP KJC?

The issue lies with finding a new niche for melee rather than making casters less diverse and interesting in their playstyles. GC talked about it a few times before he left, but unfortunately none of those ideas seem to have been followed through on.

You can easily make melee relevant by giving them other strengths that casters lack, such as shifting the distribution of raid buffs more towards melee, giving them a wider variety of utility skills, making them better on cleave fights, higher survivability etc. etc.

[Kryos]

Now where does that say hunters deal less damage to compensate for their movement?

"If there is a fight with no movement, Hunters won’t do as well"

What do you do if you don't move? You do your maximum dps prio rotation - hunters won't do as well in this "target dummy" environment = less dps if there is no movement.

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if we're going all RL in here, then they should also get a 80% miss penalty while moving.

And all magic classes should be removed since there is no magic in RL...

[Deleted]

Because thats what makes a hunter a hunter. Their defining trait is being able to do full damage while moving.

which means class that 8 years old kid can play

[zorkuus]

"If there is a fight with no movement, Hunters won’t do as well"

What do you do if you don't move? You do your maximum dps prio rotation - hunters won't do as well in this "target dummy" environment = less dps if there is no movement.

Funny how you completely ignored the next sentence by the blue. These "target dummy" enviroments barely exist in their design (if at all).

[Seezer]

And yet hunters kill me far faster than anything else.

No they don't lol

[DechCJC]

which means class that 8 years old kid can play

In random bgs and low rated pvp? Sure, a 8 year old could play anything. When actually playing seriously, no, I doubt many 8 year olds could play a single class. What other classes do you think are easy? Rogues? DKs? Frost mages? They're all incredibly difficult to play at their full potential. That's not to say that you'll never see good players in random bgs - It's just not as important how well you play as chances are the other team isn't going to be that great.

[Seezer]

"If there is a fight with no movement, Hunters won’t do as well"

What do you do if you don't move? You do your maximum dps prio rotation - hunters won't do as well in this "target dummy" environment = less dps if there is no movement.

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And all magic classes should be removed since there is no magic in RL...

There are very few fights where you don't have to move anymore.

[Raiju]

"If there is a fight with no movement, Hunters won’t do as well"

What do you do if you don't move? You do your maximum dps prio rotation - hunters won't do as well in this "target dummy" environment = less dps if there is no movement.

The argument holds absolutely 0 weight until 6.0 is live and hunters are parsing lower than every other class on dummies you know, right? Because it's not current design on live, it's supposed intent for WoD (which like everything else they say probably won't happen)

[Willoughby]

The issue lies with finding a new niche for melee rather than making casters less diverse and interesting in their playstyles.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how does Hunter/KJC-style mobility for all make casters more diverse?

[Deleted]

The argument holds absolutely 0 weight until 6.0 is live and hunters are parsing lower than every other class on dummies you know, right? Because it's not current design on live, it's supposed intent for WoD (which like everything else they say probably won't happen)

That's because right now casters have high mobility. That change comes with WoD.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how does Hunter/KJC-style mobility for all make casters more diverse?

It's only because some kind of people use those keywords like diverse, innovative, fresh and similiar to give their pointless argument a point.
It never works on thinking people...