Recommend a Setup

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Hello, I have been planning on replacing my current PC for a few years now and is just about 7 years old.
With the money I have managed to save up, I had a chat with a friend of mine who recently bought two PC's from a website so I asked him about the rough recommendations that would last me for a while. We ended up at two setups, however I'd like to double check with the other techies on these forums to see if all seems fine with the specific parts in each and help me come up with a final solution.
I am still learning in the real technical side of IT so sorry if some of the listed information below is incorrect.

Setup 1 - £919.99 total
CPU - Intel Core i5 4460 (4 x 3.30 GHz)
CPU Cooler - Zalman CNPS10X Optima
Motherboard - Gigabyte H97M-HD3
RAM - 16GB Corsair 1600mhz Vengeance (2x 8GB)
SSD - Crucial 512GB MX100
Optical Drive - 22x DVD+RW DL S-ATA
Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB
Power Supply - 500W
OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Monitor - Liyama 24" E2483HS-B1 LED (HDMI, DVI, VGA)
3 Year Warranty

Setup 2 - £1589.19 total
CPU - Intel Core i7 4790K (4 x 4.5GHz Overclocked)
CPU Cooler - Corsair H100i Extreme Water Cooler (I feel really unsure on water coolers, but they were the only options)
Motherboard - Gigabyte Z97MX-Gaming 5
RAM - 16GB Corsair 2400mhz Vengeance Pro (2x 8GB) (Should I add an extra £130 to make 32GB?)
SSD - Crucial 256GB Neutron SSD + 500GB S-ATAIII HDD
Optical Drive - 8x Blu-Ray Combo S-ATA
Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 3GB
Power Supply - 650W Corsair CS Modular
OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Monitor - Liyama 24" GE2488HS-B1 Gaming LED (HDMI, DVI, VGA)
3 Year Warranty

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A few questions, what will the use of the pc be? Pure gaming? Are you going to be doing anything else like streaming, video/photo rendering? What resolutions you want to play? In either way the 1st setup is not good. If you could provide us a little info from what i asked we can tailor a pc to your needs.

Equally important, what the max budget?

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What games you play? Fps, mmo's, all?

[CandyFresh]

Would be handy to know your actual budget & what you plan to do with the computer.

Neither of those builds are particularly good given there excessive price. You could build a much better PC yourself / have built for you, at those price points.

[dapperedodo]

For both price points those pcs are way overpriced.
The 1st setup costs more then the pc I build 3 years ago yet its worse for example.
Give a budget and some people here can gather a good pc for that price.
Even if you dont have experience building a pc investing 10 hours into building it is still much beter.

[moremana]

For both price points those pcs are way overpriced.
The 1st setup costs more then the pc I build 3 years ago yet its worse for example.
Give a budget and some people here can gather a good pc for that price.
Even if you dont have experience building a pc investing 10 hours into building it is still much beter.

Really, your 3 year old pc is better than the latest?
No, Im sorry, its not.

Those price points are not bad for a built system, you guys fail to realize that they need to make money, the markup on PC parts is not that high, they make money off the build as they should. Not everyone is comfortable with building their own machine, prebuilts go from 200-400 dollar markkup, they provide customer support and 3 year warranties, you think that should all be free right?

They both are actually a good price with a 3 year warranty, find him a cheaper built system with same specs.

[chazus]

They both are actually a good price with a 3 year warranty, find him a cheaper built system with same specs.

Keep in mind... Those are £ not $. Those setups are about $1500 and $2600 respectively... about twice what they ought to cost, even in the UK. I wouldn't buy either, just because of price.

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They both are actually a good price with a 3 year warranty, find him a cheaper built system with same specs.

Yeah and includes parts, which by themselves ralmost all got at least 2-3years. (the respectable manufacturers). 400 for a prebuild, I should open a pc shop myself then too. sell 5pcs a day and make like 50k a month...

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Here's a good i7 setup :
(keep in mind i would hold on to gpu since gtx970 is coming out and will be same performance at gtx780 but much cheaper)


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£239.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 93.3 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler (£57.83 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£97.20 @ More Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£60.46 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£74.39 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.50 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card (£369.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£70.99 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£62.56 @ More Computers)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (£39.42 @ Aria PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£44.95 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Dell U2414H 60Hz 23.8" Monitor (£179.94 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1334.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-17 13:27 BST+0100

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Can you now compare your build to mine except for double ram how it is better considering the price difference?

[moremana]

Setup 1 to build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£134.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X OPTIMA CPU Cooler (£16.90 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£59.96 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£123.79 @ More Computers)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£144.97 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card (£116.10 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case (£62.29 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£31.55 @ Aria PC)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer (£19.05 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.65 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: LG 23EA63V-P 23.0" Monitor (£139.59 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £918.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-17 13:28 BST+0100

Setup 2 to build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£239.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£109.21 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£132.19 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Corsair Neutron Series GTX 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£134.84 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£34.49 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (£380.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case (£73.26 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£65.94 @ Aria PC)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£80.05 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.65 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: LG 23EA63V-P 23.0" Monitor (£139.59 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1539.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-17 13:35 BST+0100


While they didnt have his ssd on one or the monitors, I chose one that was the same cost as the one listed.
So yeah, those are good prices for built machines with 3 year warranties.

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So yeah, those are good prices for built machines with 3 year warranties.

Quoting myself since you deleted your post above mine.

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Can you now compare your build to mine except for double ram how it is better considering the price difference?

Also its not about if its worth what they selling its the parts themselves. You can make a equally good setup for less money or more powerful for the same money not to mention better for less.

[moremana]

Quoting myself since you deleted your post above mine.





Also its not about if its worth what they selling its the parts themselves. You can make a equally good setup for less money or more powerful for the same money not to mention better for less.

Didnt delete, edited, I had the wrong format in the part list for bb code.

You guys are wrong, your splitting hairs with different parts, I posted cost for the parts he listed, minus the monitor as it isnt listed on PC parts, but added one that is the same cost as his on amazon.uk

He will be getting a built machine with a 3 year warranty and tech support for what it would cost minus a few bucks and you all say thats overpriced?

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Hello again, sorry for the late reply.
If curious my current system is a HP Pavallion Elite m9000, however with the RAM replaced with an ATI Radeon HD 3600.

The general use will be WoW and other blizzard related games, as currently playing at medium graphics settings makes it so I get 12fps during fights and in towns, as well as up to 2 minutes for loading in, 20 seconds to release spirit and unplayable in groups larger than 20 people which concerns me when getting ready to raid in WoD for Mythics.
I will also be using it for PC gaming as I have gained interest, but so far not intense, as currently the system cannot even play Smite, Skyrim and Dark Souls series on lowest settings.
The preferences may seem standard, but I would like it so I will have good use of graphics for current games, as well as being able to even play the newer games in years to come.

Another point, I prefer not to built a PC from scratch myself, though I understand it is recommended. I have been getting all the information from the website DinoPC.
The maximum budget I am willing to go up to is £1800 to the extreme.

Thank you for all of the help so far.

[chazus]

Going to move this to the build/upgrade subforum

[CandyFresh]

Setup 2 to build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£239.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£109.21 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£132.19 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Corsair Neutron Series GTX 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£134.84 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£34.49 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (£380.14 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case (£73.26 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£65.94 @ Aria PC)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£80.05 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.65 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: LG 23EA63V-P 23.0" Monitor (£139.59 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1539.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-17 13:35 BST+0100


While they didnt have his ssd on one or the monitors, I chose one that was the same cost as the one listed.
So yeah, those are good prices for built machines with 3 year warranties.

Oh btw...scan.co.uk selling the Zotac GTX 780 for only £287.74...and the Zotac GTX 780ti for only £384.65...must be a special or something!

As you're not keen on self-building...might be an idea to find a local computer shop who can build it for you. If not even that, than scan.co.uk have decent builds & company has a good reputation...but again you will end up paying more for a pre-built machine.