Could the Soviet Union have stood a chance against the US in a conventional war?

[Zvinny]

30+ knots is fucking ridiculous, especially for a vessel of that size. I regularly work with boats with a 14 knot max speed.

Fastest I've ever seen was us pulling 33 in the Med trying to outrun a storm. It was crazy. Everything was vibrating, and going outside was deafening. And this was a Ticonderoga cruiser, not even a carrier.

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I'm not sure one missile would take out a carrier, to be honest.

One Missile could cripple it even if it does not sink, a hole in your side means you will be limping home rather than continuing the fight.

[Theinquisition]

Go ready, you are obviously left Russia 20 years ago.

Planes SU-35 (Incoming best next year: PAK-FA or SU-50)
Subs: Yasen class (Already being delivered)

Well, let me know when Russia has the ability, and money to mass produce.

[judgementofantonidas]

If there is no nuclear weaponry used, than the U.S would win a conventional war. While Putin talks a big game, Russia overall is not a very powerful country.

We can all imagine what war with russia would be in an imaginary world with no nukes. However the reality is that their doctrine includes smaller nukes the second they are being overun.

[Kellhound]

You send the missile from land to the carrier, tens of them at a time, win?

And Russians have very good planes, ships and subs too. They are not Iraq, Iran or <insert random country name here> .


There are plenty of articles out there that quote people from pentagon saying what i am telling you. Just google.

In reality Russia would just nuke the carrier group, send a few ICBMs with MIRVS and its gg; in a war today there would be no aicraft carrier involved for that reason.

As for the air supremacy SU-35s are monsters almost as good as the Raptors.

Just wait for the PAK-FA to come in production and its going to be gg.

Carrier Strike Groups have about 300 long range SAMs in VLSs, they are designed to defeat saturation attacks. The attacker also has to survive to launch, they have to have target information, etc.

Going nuclear is not wise, even against ships.

Russia has ordered 48 Su-35s, the USN has 500 Super Hornets, the USAF 187 F-22s.

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Go ready, you are obviously left Russia 20 years ago.

Planes SU-35 (Incoming best next year: PAK-FA or SU-50)
Subs: Yasen class (Already being delivered)

Already discussed the Su-35.

Yasen: 12 planned
Virginia: 30 planned

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I'm not sure one missile would take out a carrier, to be honest.

Only if it was nuclear.

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Fastest I've ever seen was us pulling 33 in the Med trying to outrun a storm. It was crazy. Everything was vibrating, and going outside was deafening. And this was a Ticonderoga cruiser, not even a carrier.

Carriers cavitate like hell at flank speed, but it is a lot higher than what the cruisers can do...

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One Missile could cripple it even if it does not sink, a hole in your side means you will be limping home rather than continuing the fight.

Depends on the damage really.

[Deleted]

You're supposed to discuss Soviet Union, not Russian Federation. If you want to bash Russia, there is a thread for that very reason.

[Tierbook]

One Missile could cripple it even if it does not sink, a hole in your side means you will be limping home rather than continuing the fight.

To the side? That's unlikely the only reason the Forrestal fire was as bad as it was was because it was a missile launched on the ship into some planes refueling and rearming, and that amounted to about 10 tons of explosives give or take.

[Ulmita]

Well, let me know when Russia has the ability, and money to mass produce.

They are...

[Kellhound]

They are...

48 is hardly mass produced....

[Theinquisition]

They are...

Cool, we love a challenge, and it gives us a reason to come out with something better.

Even if in some bizzaro world fantasy the SU was better than what we have. What armament are they going to put on that aircraft that we can't outrange, and downright ECM it into the sea

[ringpriest]

I'm not sure one missile would take out a carrier, to be honest.

Sink? Almost certainly not. Mission-kill, ending its ability to launch aircraft and forcing it into weeks (if not months) of drydock for repairs? Quite possibly. (At the same time, look how much damage the Yorktown took, repeatedly.)

[Tierbook]

Sink? Almost certainly not. Mission-kill, ending its ability to launch aircraft and forcing it into weeks (if not months) of drydock for repairs? Quite possibly. (At the same time, look how much damage the Yorktown took, repeatedly.)

It sank once though so they built another.... and damn is it a big ship pretty impressive to see in Charleston harbor.... we also have the Laffey which was even sturdier.

[Ulmita]

48 is hardly mass produced....

I mean there are 195 raptors and those are much older. So 48 is on track =)

[Tierbook]

I mean there are 195 raptors and those are much older. So 48 is on track =)

The US has been building F-35's since 06' we have 100 of them.

[Ulmita]

The US has been building F-35's since 06' we have 100 of them.

Isn't raptor f-22 and f-35 still in production? If its f-22 then you got 195 (8 test and 187 operational aircraft)

[Tierbook]

Isn't raptor f-22 and f-35 still in production? If its f-22 then you got 195 (8 test and 187 operational aircraft)

according to wiki it ended production in 2011

[Ulmita]

according to wiki it ended production in 2011

Nah dude f-35 its that overpriced useless aircraft that its going to be less good than f-22. Its still in production and its cost keeps increasing lol

[Tierbook]

Nah dude f-35 its that overpriced useless aircraft that its going to be less good than f-22. Its still in production and its cost keeps increasing lol

F-35 is cheaper than the F-22. Serves more purposes as well.

[Independent voter]

Aren't the F22 and F35 way ahead of anything the Chinese or Russians have?

[ringpriest]

F-35 is cheaper than the F-22. Serves more purposes as well.

Yeah. I mean, the F-22 just does air superiority, ground attack, elint, and pilot anesthesia. The F-35 is an engine ejector, runway and deck defroster, employer in 44 different congressional districts, software testbed, decoy, drop-tank carrier, dogfighting target, firestarter, carnival ride, personal heater, surprise package, and high-stakes casino, all rolled into a single trillion-dollar program. (Oh, I hear it actually flies, sometimes, too.)