If you were Marxist, you would vote Republican

[Endus]

So 'when people need it' is going to become 'for their entire lives' by definition.

Plus, even Adam Smith recognized that a capitalist society is fundamentally based upon its consumers, and their welfare and prosperity must be protected, as the primary goal of even capitalism.

People have value as consumers alone, even if they aren't contributing to production directly.

[taliey]

sure it can

You don't know it unless we've tried it.

[Endus]

can you quote me on the bolded?

Sure can;

IDK about that nessesarily, I think extreme capitalists want people to survive, but baised on their merits and abilites.

Go big or go home endus, survival of the fittest. You're holding back evolution

I say let the starving artists starve

Right there, in those posts.

[Theinquisition]

Under a 'free market', we do.

In a system where there is scarcity then the success of one person detracts from the welfare of another.

Until we have replicators, there will always be scarcity, no matter the political process. Fortunately under awesome capitalism, the means of production increase with the demand for goods.

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Sure can;





Right there, in those posts.

okay seriously.....you couldn't tell those were jokes, especially given that i said i was being sarcastic?

and still...not direct quoted sir.

[Frontenac]

sure it can

Short answer. Here is a short question:

How?

[Elegiac]

Until we have replicators, there will always be scarcity, no matter the political process. Fortunately under awesome capitalism, the means of production increase with the demand for goods.

Then stop saying that it isn't a zero sum game.

[Endus]

Until we have replicators, there will always be scarcity, no matter the political process. Fortunately under awesome capitalism, the means of production increase with the demand for goods.

1> You're confusing "supply" with "means of production"
2> This isn't unique to capitalist theory in the first place. It's a principle of market systems, which both predate capitalist theory and exist outside capitalist systems.
3> Like Didactic said, you've now directly contradicted your prior claim that the economy isn't a zero-sum system; that's what scarcity economies are, by definition.

[Theinquisition]

Short answer. Here is a short question:

How?

Because I said so

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1> You're confusing "supply" with "means of production"
2> This isn't unique to capitalist theory in the first place. It's a principle of market systems, which both predate capitalist theory and exist outside capitalist systems.
3> Like Didactic said, you've now directly contradicted your prior claim that the economy isn't a zero-sum system; that's what scarcity economies are, by definition.

Alright Endus I concede, your Cradle to grave welfare state is superior.... -.-

[Endus]

okay seriously.....you couldn't tell those were jokes, especially given that i said i was being sarcastic?

and still...not direct quoted sir.

You mentioned sarcasm in one of those, and not even the first.

And those are exactly what is meant by "direct quotes". What the hell are you even talking about, claiming they aren't?

[Theinquisition]

You mentioned sarcasm in one of those, and not even the first.

And those are exactly what is meant by "direct quotes". What the hell are you even talking about, claiming they aren't?

No, the oringinal bolded.

Lol, sigh at this point im just being snarky, obviously we are not going to agree on which economic system is best.

[Deleted]

Under a 'free market', we do.

In a system where there is scarcity then the success of one person detracts from the welfare of another.

So? If the less fortunate still live comfortably, relatively speaking, then why does it matter? It would be like comparing a millionaire to a billionaire.

The only problem I have with capitalism is lack of competition thanks to people who hate capitalism. But with enough chaos, the system will always reset itself.

I'm surprised that you don't see this.

Communism is the impossible dream. It's not even a dream. It's a nightmare.

[Elegiac]

So? If the less fortunate still live comfortably, relatively speaking, then why does it matter? It would be like comparing a millionaire to a billionaire.

Good thinking!

Too bad it isn't remotely the case in the US.

The only problem I have with capitalism is lack of competition thanks to people who hate capitalism. But with enough chaos, the system will always reset itself.

You are aware that regulation maintains competition, yes?

Communism is the impossible dream. It's not even a dream. It's a nightmare.

Nobody here is a communist, get a new fucking talking point.

[Deleted]

You are aware that regulation maintains competition, yes?

Businesses bribe governments to shut down the competition.

Politicians are bought and sold at a bargain price in the U.S.

It's hilarious.

Are you sure that you want more government intervention? You'd better make sure that the politicians are angels first.

Mister Didactic.

[Elegiac]

Businesses bribe governments to shut down the competition.

Politicians are bought and sold at a bargain price in the U.S.

It's hilarious.

Are you sure that you want more government intervention? You'd better make sure that the politicians are angels first.

Mister Didactic.

Which is exactly why I support fairly draconian anti-corruption laws.

But we can start by banning private donations to politicians, campaign or otherwise.

[taliey]

Businesses bribe governments to shut down the competition.

Politicians are bought and sold at a bargain price in the U.S.

It's hilarious.

Are you sure that you want more government intervention? You'd better make sure that the politicians are angels first.

Mister Didactic.

So who really is in control of government?

Government or the businesses that bribe government?

[Theinquisition]

Which is exactly why I support fairly draconian anti-corruption laws.

But we can start by banning private donations to politicians, campaign or otherwise.

Corperate and union donations as well?

[Elegiac]

Corperate and union donations as well?

What part of 'private' escapes you, exactly?

[taliey]

Corperate and union donations as well?

What part of money out of politics isn't clear?

[Theinquisition]

What part of 'private' escapes you, exactly?

Lol, such hostility.

You have a fondness for unions, I just was testing to see if you were going to be hypocritical, i was pleasently suprised.