A question about Frost AOE rotation.

[carnicide]

Forgive me I'm new to DK frost( Well DK in genereal) and every guide I find about Frost DKs rotation states I only apply diseases with Howling blast and plague strike. I understand that for Single target, but what about AOE? Do I not worry about spreading my blood disease to multiple targets and just keep frost up on all targets? Or do I start with howling blast PS then BB to spread it? Any help would be awesome, thanks guys

[RedFlame]

the death rune used to blood boil and spread them is worth less than a quarter, if that, of a single HB, and the total dot ticks would need to tick for full duration for it to even be a marginal dps increase.

[carnicide]

In other words don't spread blood plague, okay got it. What it it's a long cleave fight and the target won't die in 30 secs? thanks again for any info and for the reply.

[RedFlame]

single target? tab target and PS. multiple targets? i covered that in my reply >_>

[cashballer]

the death rune used to blood boil and spread them is worth less than a quarter, if that, of a single HB, and the total dot ticks would need to tick for full duration for it to even be a marginal dps increase.

I find that very hard to believe. Given that HB deals 90% AP + 45% AP per cleave target, BB does 60% AP per target, and BP does 23.64% AP per 3 seconds per target, you would need an absurd amount of mastery (increases frost damage only) to make HB more important than applying Blood Plague, even on 2 targets.

In fact, since HB does reduced damage to secondary targets, it would take higher precedence in a single-target rotation. Yet, the icy-veins guide says that you should Plague Strike to apply Blood Plague over using HB in the single-target rotation (despite BB being mysteriously missing from the AoE rotation). I feel like I'm missing something, or someone just forgot to include BB on there, because that's a logical contradiction.

You should definitely use BB to spread BP in AoE situations that will last a decent amount of time (allowing BP to tick a few times), UNLESS there are few enough targets that you can keep BP refreshed on all of them with only the spare unholy runes you have (using PS). Am I wrong?

[RedFlame]

could be true now, i suppose. would need to go grab all the pertinent ability scalings, and check, i was just mostly quoting what i remember from back in MoP when i was last frost. wheres the best place to grab those %s, since the spellbook likes giving plain old numbers?
specfically, baseline mastery and scaling for frost.

[cashballer]

wheres the best place to grab those %s, since the spellbook likes giving plain old numbers?

I got them from wowhead, although I can't be certain if those are up-to-date.

I think BP and FF used to do much lower damage (because their main benefit was strike-scaling) so that's my guess as to why it was never important to Pestilence BP in the Frost AoE rotation before

[RedFlame]

I got them from wowhead, although I can't be certain if those are up-to-date.

I think BP and FF used to do much lower damage (because their main benefit was strike-scaling) so that's my guess as to why it was never important to Pestilence BP in the Frost AoE rotation before

that and blood boil and pestilence weren't baked together.
i guess its hard to say atm (without some numbers to math with). blood plague still does tick like a wet noodle for frost, compared to the rest of its abilites, so i would still say its best not to bother applying and spreading unless the adds will live for more than 10 seconds or so.