So... back to unholy?

[Solial]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/198...e-25-6-25-2015

Class
Death Knight
Frost
[Hotfix in testing] Frost Strike and Obliterate have been reduced to their pre-6.2 damage levels.
The change to Might of the Frozen Wastes remains in place and is a significant buff to Frost Strike damage while dual-wielding.
Obliterate once again deals full damage to players.
[Hotfix in testing] Howling Blast damage has been reduced by 13.5% but is still a slight buff from its pre-6.2 damage levels.
The change to Howling Blast's area damage remains in place, and continues to deal full damage to all enemies within range.

Edit: Looks like DW Frost single target and Unholy for aoe?

[nephzor]

unholy for AoE but only with reaper's harvest

[Bluey111]

unholy for AoE but only with reaper's harvest

They nerfed the shit out of Frost today

[Ten]

The simcrafting though from Skullflower recommends you stay frost - and only go unholy for aoe once you get the trinket

The nerf is not as bad as ppl think

[Xanwryn]

Skullflower barely even recommends that. The sims were made with best-in-slot gear and Reaper's Harvest.

We're talking Mythic gear here. That means that for 12/13 bosses you will be able to Frost to your hearts content, and only once you can beat Archimonde and get the Reaper's Harvest trinket will Frost be better.

The fact that they're doing blanket buffs/nerfs is the problem, though. These nerfs should have been made during the testing phase. Why have testing if you're not gonna, oh I dunno, test? Look at the Enhancement buffs for example. They get a flat 20% boost to all their main attacks. Why wasn't this noticed in testing?

Oh right, it was. Blizzard just didn't give two shits.

[Fenrkyr]

The simcrafting though from Skullflower recommends you stay frost - and only go unholy for aoe once you get the trinket

The nerf is not as bad as ppl think

Unless you were one of the few who liked 2h frost, then its back to BRF level of suck for you.

[Piz813]

Unless you were one of the few who liked 2h frost, then its back to BRF level of suck for you.

<--- one of two

It was fun being on top every fight for two nights.... but i'll settle for 4th-5th place

[Fenrkyr]

<--- one of two

It was fun being on top every fight for two nights.... but i'll settle for 4th-5th place

You won't approach 4-5th as 2h anymore; The only thing left to differentiate it from BRF is the meager ~5% buff to HB;

[Deleted]

Skullflower barely even recommends that. The sims were made with best-in-slot gear and Reaper's Harvest.

We're talking Mythic gear here. That means that for 12/13 bosses you will be able to Frost to your hearts content, and only once you can beat Archimonde and get the Reaper's Harvest trinket will Frost be better.

The fact that they're doing blanket buffs/nerfs is the problem, though. These nerfs should have been made during the testing phase. Why have testing if you're not gonna, oh I dunno, test? Look at the Enhancement buffs for example. They get a flat 20% boost to all their main attacks. Why wasn't this noticed in testing?

Oh right, it was. Blizzard just didn't give two shits.

This post doesnt make sense.

U mean go unholy when u get reapers?

[Hexxus]

This post doesnt make sense.

U mean go unholy when u get reapers?

yeah, you pretty much stay frost for every fight until you kill Archimond and get your class trinket, after that you can Unholy for 3-4 fights in HFC for aoe

[Xanwryn]

This post doesnt make sense.

U mean go unholy when u get reapers?

Yeah, so for min-max purposes you might go Unholy for a few cleave fights once and only once you get Reaper's Harvest from Archimonde. But all this also assumes you have best-in-slot Mythic pieces everywhere else as well and can reliably swap based on that.

The fact is though, most people aren't in this position. All of this assumes you have BiS Mythic gear, if you don't then DW Frost is better. If your Unholy set isn't as good as your Frost set then Frost will be better.

So unless you're in a guild that can not only down Mythic Archimonde but you also get Reaper's Harvest on the first kill I don't suspect many people will be changing very soon, even people like Skullflower who are in that position (who does not have a Mythic HFC kill yet and is still playing DW Frost).

[Deleted]

Even after the nerf you will still stick to DW Frost..

[Bloodtista]

dw still strong even after the nerfs.

[Valkaneer]

So if your not in Mythic gear what is the real difference in damage then from pre nerf to current? 16.67% less damage to Frost Strike, Obliterate, and Howling Blast sounds like a lot to me. It's not like were talking about one attack that makes up 20% getting a 16.67 % nerf, were talking about 3 attacks that make up a lot bigger % of the dps than just 1 attack on a long CD.


Also where does the DK actually sit in a raid with like skilled ppl then?

[Deleted]

Pretty high I'd say even after the nerf. This is the time of the expansion for Frost.

[Fulmination]

The nerf is not as bad as ppl think

Are you serious? Like did you play frost pre 6.2 and post 6.2?

We were just buffed and now we are being nerfed. I wasnt matching dps as DW frost pre patch but afterwards I was. Now Im sure Ill be jsut as low as I was pre patch.

[Ragnirok]

Are you serious? Like did you play frost pre 6.2 and post 6.2?

We were just buffed and now we are being nerfed. I wasnt matching dps as DW frost pre patch but afterwards I was. Now Im sure Ill be jsut as low as I was pre patch.

The might of the frozen wastes buff still went through which means frost strike is still pretty damn strong. DW is still the way to go right now.

[Bloodtista]

Are you serious? Like did you play frost pre 6.2 and post 6.2?

We were just buffed and now we are being nerfed. I wasnt matching dps as DW frost pre patch but afterwards I was. Now Im sure Ill be jsut as low as I was pre patch.

how about you actually play with the nerfs now, and stop bitching. It's not as bad as people are saying.

[Marolen]

Fulmination is one of those posters who speaks loudly and acts like he knows what he's talking about, so a lot of lurkers are going to think the sky is falling.

But he's clueless. DW Frost is still one of the better melee specs.

[Deleted]

How much behind is unholy on average? I don't have 1h weapons on my alt and I enjoy playing necroblight quite a bit.