Non-Americans commit over five times more serious crimes per capita than Americans.

[Captain Proton]

Americans tend to think that this is an American forum and act like they can discuss local issues without specifying what is going on because of the arrogant notion that everyone here is American.
"Non-Americans", as specified in the title, points to 95% of the world's population. Of course, it's easy to understand what is going on, but it demonstrates extreme ignorance from the author's perspective.

Illegal immigrants (in America) are by definition, non-americans. It also specifies in the post which non-americans the article is refering to. He is correct. He also took the title from the article. If you bothered to read beyond the title and not go apeshit for no reason, you'd see that. The only ignorance here is yours.

[Alydael]

It is funny to me how so many in this thread call this Republican bias because:

1) The Republicans are just as guilty in this as the Dems because both parties refuse to have a responsible border/immigration party. The truth is, big business wants the cheap labor and is donating to both parties, so both parties are turning a blind eye to it.

2) People in the links are getting arrested. There is no Republican bias- arrest/ committing a crime is a fact. Sorry the fact that these people have committed crimes is getting in the way of your "talking points," but facts (the truth) is messy like that.

This debate highlights how the two parties are ruining this country. They won't even get together and create a responsible border policy (what is a government if it can't (or choses not to) defend it's borders?). The parties divide the people so every issue becomes Dem vs. Pub. This is not a Dem vs. Pub issue, it is a common sense issue Criminals and terrorists are just walking across our border looking to do us harm. We can't have that, it is unacceptable (sorry immigrant lobby groups).

What worth does a government have if it can not (or will not) defend it's citizens against non citizens. What is the point of even being a citizen (and paying taxes) at that point?

[Spectral]

If 3% of all Illegal immigrants commit some crime you still have 97/% innocent ppl.

I don't think this is a great way of looking at the issue. Instead, I think the correct approach when thinking about immigration policy is, "will this group of people be a net benefit to the country?". In thinking about that question, noticing that they seem to engage in much more frequent criminality than the native population is worth mentioning.

[derpkitteh]

considering the wimpy justice systems in a few euro and scandinavian countries, why the fuck would you ever come here to commit crime? the only worse place you could go to commit crime is russia.

[Spectral]

The hell is with all the conservative posters and their recent extra hard on for immigrants? Is trump just drawing out all the crazies on the forum like far right wing sleeper agents?

Difficult economic times tend to bring around a lot of finger-pointing. It's always easier to point the finger at Those People than to engage in some introspection, right?

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considering the wimpy justice systems in a few euro and scandinavian countries, why the fuck would you ever come here to commit crime? the only worse place you could go to commit crime is russia.

It's a lot easier to walk from Mexico to Texas than Mexico to Sweden.

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People in the links are getting arrested. There is no Republican bias- arrest/ committing a crime is a fact. Sorry the fact that these people have committed crimes is getting in the way of your "talking points," but facts (the truth) is messy like that.

Well sure, but noticing that some groups of people seem to not behave as well as other groups of people has become an official Hate Fact. Best not notice that or you're an official racist!

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However, there is one thing with illegal immigration which is an issue that needs to be addressed somehow, and that is driving by illegal aliens without insurance. That's a tough one to solve. But many illegals in the US seem to not be very good drivers, and do not carry insurance since they can't while being here illegally. So I know first hand from close friends who are police that there are many fender bender type car accidents where the illegal doesn't have insurance.

New York's taken the pragmatic approach to this and begun licensing illegal aliens. Since it's not really the DMV's problem to deal with immigration, it makes sense for them to try to mitigate damage on the roadways.

That said, I'm generally in favor of police aggressively noticing illegal aliens during traffic stops and assisting in their deportation.

[Felya]

It is funny to me how so many in this thread call this Republican bias because:

They call this republican bias because:

1) the nature of the site it's linked from.
2) request for an apology to mr Trump.
3) the intent of the thread.

We can't have that, it is unacceptable (sorry immigrant lobby groups).

Yeah, sorry illegal immigration lobby... We answer to a higher power! (Who wants to build a wall? Please send your checks this way.)

[Gorgodeus]

I don't understand why anyone would support illegal immigration least of all people who legally immigrated here.

You mean the country that was founded by illegal immigrants?

[Spectral]

You mean the country that was founded by illegal immigrants?

This is such a fucking stupid meme. Even accepting the point on its face and treating the United States as a nation formed by an invading force (this falls down for a number of reasons, but I'll play along), this doesn't imply in any way that the current population should acquiesce to such a force.

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I don't think this is a great way of looking at the issue. Instead, I think the correct approach when thinking about immigration policy is, "will this group of people be a net benefit to the country?". In thinking about that question, noticing that they seem to engage in much more frequent criminality than the native population is worth mentioning.

It is worth mentioning but trump and co overstate it vastly.

[Spectral]

It is worth mentioning but trump and co overstate it vastly.

This is probably because Trump's a shameless and cynical self-promoter playing to a crowd of xenophobic, innumerate morons.

[Nachturnal]

Man, the anti-immigrant train has really picked up around these forums.

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Man, the anti-immigrant train has really picked up around these forums.

I think it's mostly because of the surge of pro immigration threads.

The whole voting issue and the obama thing.
People feel the need to set things "right".

[Captain N]

Man, the anti-immigrant train has really picked up around these forums.

Considering the posters who are on that train. Are you surprised?

[Gorgodeus]

This is such a fucking stupid meme. Even accepting the point on its face and treating the United States as a nation formed by an invading force (this falls down for a number of reasons, but I'll play along), this doesn't imply in any way that the current population should acquiesce to such a force.

Oh, so now a fact is considered a meme? Good to know.

[Spectral]

Oh, so now a fact is considered a meme? Good to know.

No, it's a meme because it's something you heard somewhere, thought sounded clever, and have decided to propagate without giving even the barest thought to whether it has any valid basis in reality whatsoever. The definition of a meme is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture"; in this case, it's spread without being true because it's appealing to a subset of people that generally don't like the United States.

The concept of an "illegal immigrant" in a context where there were no immigration laws is fucking stupid. Further, the United States wasn't founded by the initial immigrants, but by a group who had colonized the area generations earlier.

[Gorgodeus]

No, it's a meme because it's something you heard somewhere, thought sounded clever, and have decided to propagate without giving even the barest thought to whether it has any valid basis in reality whatsoever. The definition of a meme is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture"; in this case, it's spread without being true because it's appealing to a subset of people that generally don't like the United States.

The concept of an "illegal immigrant" in a context where there were no immigration laws is fucking stupid. Further, the United States wasn't founded by the initial immigrants, but by a group who had colonized the area generations earlier.

No, sorry. Try harder. The Americas had an indigenous population that was invaded by European countries. It doesn't matter if there were "immigration laws" or not. Of course now that the shoe is on the other foot, time to raise hell about.

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That statement is as ironic as claiming quarantine done by americans is ironic because their ancestors brought a plague over the nation absolutely stupid as analogy.

[Nachturnal]

Considering the posters who are on that train. Are you surprised?

Definitely not surprised. All this anti-immigration stuff is getting out of hand. Everyone is looking for a chance to say, "SEE! TRUMP WAS RIGHT!" But no one is offering solutions or shifting the blame to where it counts the most.

It's either build a 1,000 foot wall, 500 feet underground, 500 feet sky high, 500 feet thick (exaggerating of course), stretching over 1,000 some odd miles, with no way of paying for it. No solution for the immigrants who have adapted to American society and are contributing members other than "Get them outta here!", and no punishment to employers who actively hire these illegal immigrants they hate so much.

I'm somewhat neutral on the topic, but if Alabama's harsh immigration laws and the resulting effects of such harsh laws show, we need them more than people think.

[Spectral]

That statement is as ironic as claiming quarantine done by americans is ironic because their ancestors brought a plague over the nation absolutely stupid as analogy.

Indeed. The Germans would be real hypocrites if they ever got upset about a neighbor annexing their country - after all, their ancestors did it, so why would it bother them?

The crap Gorgodeus is tossing out is obviously nonsensical that it's almost got to be dishonest.

[Gorgodeus]

Indeed. The Germans would be real hypocrites if they ever got upset about a neighbor annexing their country - after all, their ancestors did it, so why would it bother them?

The crap Gorgodeus is tossing out is obviously nonsensical that it's almost got to be dishonest.

You seem all upset. Truth must have hit home. Fact remains, the US was founded due to annihilating and abusing the Native American people in order to form what is the current country.